I don't mind a marginal change in price ~10 to have the podium tested.

Charlie raised prices by one dollar per person in order to have an ambulance on site last year and it was chaos - try as I may I just cannot put myself in those shoes.

In the abstract I agree that dope testing for amateur park races is absurd... but...

I think the prevalence of doping would shock us all into speechlessness if it were laid bare and not merely suspected; from high school athletes (and students) on up.

The pendulum has clearly swung from "come on, it's a few jerks with nothing to lose" to "you probably can't be competitive without it"

There is no real downside to testing other than cost (and perhaps a false sense of security)

If we really were ok with "honor system" we wouldn't need USAC, categories, officals or a finish line camera.

Ryan,

Oh yes! This confessional HAS to be at a bar! I nominate the Levee. It's my local dive and I'm friends with most of their bartenders, so we can reserve an evening. It also used to be called "Kokie's", and yea, it was a huge coke bar, so it has the pedigree.

I can't wait until a bunch of angry, drunk cyclists have to listen to this guy spill his guts in public! I'll bring the tomatoes. This is gonna truly be EPIC.

One question: will Rapha be there with free schwag, photographer and videographer? They better be.

I think a public event would be a mob scene, especially in this town.  Doubly so if they serve alcohol.  Not particularly productive, IMHO.

As for Cisco, I just don't buy that he didn't know or suspect. 

Cisco seems very sloppy in this and other things (he wants to go to medical school and yet he conducts unlicensed blood testing in his apartment...)

Just saw Owen's post   As usual his humor trumps my dour realism.

I always wondered why winning races was so hard.  The best places I ever got were 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th.  That's in about 40 races or so.

This guy CRUSHED us at Catskills in 2010.  185 pound guy.

Put a minute into us on Devil's Kitchen alone.  Hasn't done much since.  Hmmmm.

It is of course always possible he got tired of winning so much so quickly after he started.

You can find him on Strava if you care.

Im having a really hard time giving a shit about this. I also don't feel like I've had results stolen from me. Sometimes we beat the dopers, and that makes it absurdly fun for me.

Personally, I feel like testing at an amateur race is really laughable. Not saying that we shouldn't do it.... but I certainly don't want to pay for it. These kitchen cabinets aren't cheap! And then there will be a "look who didn't race when we were testing" thing that is totally unfair.

Oh and BH testing. What a fucking joke. All part of the same do what the pros do mentality. Kill the team if you don't trust the people who ride for it. Period.

I doubt they'd actually do it at a bar. The point is they are asking for a public tell all. That's a good thing.

Im having a really hard time giving a shit about this. I also don't feel like I've had results stolen from me. Sometimes we beat the dopers, and that makes it absurdly fun for me. Personally, I feel like testing at an amateur race is really laughable. Not saying that we shouldn't do it.... but I certainly don't want to pay for it. These kitchen cabinets aren't cheap! And then there will be a "look who didn't race when we were testing" thing that is totally unfair. Oh and BH testing. What a fucking joke. All part of the same do what the pros do mentality. Kill the team if you don't trust the people who ride for it. Period.

^this

Mike, I remember feeling pretty much the same way as you after another notable local got busted a few years back.  Had a hard time caring.  Then I started to think about all the races I had been in with him over his superman period, and I realized that it wasn't just results that were stolen.  He was frequently a huge factor in the way the race played out.  I feel like the 123 speeds out at Floyd that summer were absurd.  As a result, the vast majority of the pack wasn't really racing, so much as hanging on.  I know, I know, things still get fast out there, but back then it was often this dude who was spitting guys out the back.  That being the case, he didn't just steal a top ten, he stole the whole racing experience, for a huge chunk of the participants.  It's just my subjective opinion, but I feel like Floyd speeds came back into the realistic range sometime the summer after he got busted.  And even if you were strong enough to survive and make moves, you still played different cards just as a result of having him around.  I ended up fairly pissed that he had burned so much of that summer.

But, as Dave noted, time heals all.  I've talked with this dude since he got busted, and I can't manage to really carry the anger over.  I still resent how those races were stolen, but there are new races now, new experiences to be had.  But I don't want to learn that any of those races have been stolen either.

Ah yes our own disused airstip remake of "Peloton `a deux vitesses" starring Kissena as the French, and the evil CRCA sub-teams as the Germans, Italians and Spanish. With special guest stars : Cisco as preparatore to the delusional masters: Michele Ferrari; RyanJ as David Moncoutie and WDC as Christophe Bassons.

lulz

Good point Joaquin.

Maybe it is also sad that I basically expect this to happen, so there is little shock.

The person mentioned above is back to racing and very much human, maybe cat 3 level strength. Keeps it in perspective.

Let me say this so my stance isn't confused. I would be fucking furious if a KCC rider was doping. Even though I know some of the guys I line up against are dirty, I still make sure I don't take claratin or Sudafed 24 hours before a race. Forget supplements. Train hard, race hard. Sometimes you beat them, sometimes they beat you.

Joaquin, why are you affording Jared Bunde any kind of anonymity? The guy you are alluding to is Jared Bunde, Jared Bunde, Jared Bunde. There I said it. I was also a victim of passive doping back then. Jared passed the III IV masters field so fast that my retina's were seared. Seriously, that guy can go shit in his hat with his "tainted supplements" excuse. Did he ever offer a mia culpa? Did he ever offer to explain what he did and why he did it? Did he ever apologize to his peers? I have more respect for DA, as he has immediately confessed, apologized and will likely give a lengthy interview. As far as I know all Jared Bunde ever did was deny and wait for his suspension to end. Yacks

Oh and denying a positive test and waiting out a suspension is sooooooo........wait for it........ P R O !!!

If it makes you feel any better, he was taking all the pre-req's for Hunter-Bellevue nursing school with me. And guess who I didn't see at the mandatory orientation? Boo hoo.

I always wanted to ask him why he was in class bc he already knew about cholesterol and hormone synthesis. Tee hee!

Yacks, I think you mean helmet, not hat. 

I wasn't really aiming for anonymity, but I guess I did drift into that.  I initially went nameless because Jared, Pulla and others all had the same effect - they dramatically changed the race. 

I've been convinced that a sizable portion of the amatuer racing scene is doped ever since watching "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" at JP's recommendation.  For that matter, I think a pretty good slice of the general populace (athlete or not) is probably doping.  The best I hope for these days is that the dopers our midst only have access to stuff that allows us mortals to stay within striking distance.

This made me LOL

Joaquin, why are you affording Jared Bunde any kind of anonymity? The guy you are alluding to is Jared Bunde, Jared Bunde, Jared Bunde. There I said it. I was also a victim of passive doping back

I don't know about you guys but I get asked pretty consistently about doping in the amateur ranks. 

Tell me this 50+ year old guy in the BMC kit isn't juicing?

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/NYC-Cycling-Series-Al-Toefield/Cat-4-and-5-NYC-Cycling-Series/24303502_R7zdhG#!i=1979228103&k=CSPZrF6&lb=1&s=A

Come on

As somebody who was "coached" by Cicso on NYVelocity, I can totally believe he had no idea about DA doping. After I had crashed and was walking with a cane and had called him to tell him I wasn't going to need any coaching until I got the doctor's ok to get back on the bike, he sent me an email complaining that I didn't send him monthly TT results for review. Sloppy.

I am sure DA doing 350watts for 5 minutes then popping up to 450watts is totally not suspicious.

Tell me this 50+ year old guy in the BMC kit isn't juicing?

Hey! that looks like me . . . except for the sun tan.

John - there are TWO Kissenas - I think he rode for Kissena Sports project.

John,

Hmm can't get the video to load.

Zing!
(ouch)

Jared raced with our version of Kissena. He was a good guy. He had friends in the club. It was a not dissimilar situation for those involved. Though his positive test came several years and 2 clubs after he left Kissena.

Saga

http://www.crca.net/2012/07/crca-boards-response-to-recent-positive-drug-tests/