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Professional Dopers

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Somebody is worried that Uncle Sam and his own lawyers are going to pump his well dry....Throwing Weisel in front of the Fed bus?...so much for the bro train.  Lance may have to start selling some of those paintings he owns.  I've got to think that 20 years of taking drugs is going to impact his health...wonder what his insurance premiums are going to be since he has a history of cancer AND has admitted to years of abusing drugs.  

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15997/As-clock-ticks-in-relation-to-Qui-Tam-case-Armstrong-implicates-Weisel-over-team-doping.aspx

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/news/rogers-tests-positive-for-clenbuterol-at-japan-cup_311466

Where is the vitriol?  Tainted beef 2.0?  Or is he an unfortunate victim?

Come on guys, it's cold out, but it's not DEEP SPACE...
He's a dick.
Professional dopers are soooo 2013...now local dopers are always meat for the grinder...Cesar Marte anyone. ?
Matt DeCanio fingered Rogers as a doper way back when he was an up-and-comer racing at Tour de Beauce. Maybe back in 2001 or 2003.  Rogers later admitted to having worked with Ferrari, but 'just for training programs.'  And he left a bunch of teams that seemed to be cleaning up their acts. 

Doesn't mean Rogers was playing with Clen.
2012 Philly Championship...look at this podium...we know now the TYPE 1 team was doped...and the other guy on the podium? well...you know
Winner Michael Rogers (AUS) (Team HTC-Columbia) Second David Zabriskie (USA) (Garmin-Transitions) Third Levi Leipheimer (USA) (Team RadioShack) The 2010 tour of

http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-leduc123013


The insanity continues.

Good grief...  what's wrong with people.  I mean I love cycling and competing like the next guy, but..62 and doping??  Pathetic.  I'd rather be on beach somewhere drinking a cold one at that age rather than racing.
I'm a little fascinated . . .

Based on road-results.com, he did one or two races in 2010, 2011 and only started racing more seriously in 2012. Maybe he got bored with the beach thing.

Amazing that he was taking EPO, steroids, AND amphetamine! That's going all-in.

Oh, and it looks like he got 7th out of 45 in the fateful Masters National race (60-64).

That dude is my hero.
@David - according to his USAC account, he's been racing since 2004.  First race, came in 10th, then first or second in many races since.  
Oh he's been doping since he started. Doping cat 4's are the best.
dstokes said:
Amazing that he was taking EPO, steroids, AND amphetamine! That's going all-in.

Oh, and it looks like he got 7th out of 45 in the fateful Masters National race (60-64).

He could have gotten 5th if he threw in some cocaine, caffeine, and strychnine...
David LeDuc has been racing since 1980. I remember reading about him killing it in races in the mid-80's and being an "older" rider.  

here's proof: http://hamptonroads.com/node/139281

pulled from the article:

David LeDuc has been cycling for the past 25 years and believes drugs have likely always been in the sport, as in many others.

Though LeDuc, 55, never raced in Europe where cycling is more popular, he said the fact that people are trying to make a living off the sport plays a factor in drug use.

"I think there are probably just as many drugs in all sports, too, but cycling for some reason is under the microscope right now," said LeDuc, the oldest racer in the Pro-1/2/3 and eigh th-place finisher in a field of about 50. "Any of the big four sports - basketball, baseball, football and hockey - if they were subjected to the amount of testing as cycling, they wouldn't stand for it."

LeDuc began racing in 1980 after becoming inspired by the movie "Breaking Away," the story of a young man who changes his life through cycling. LeDuc, hailing from Willow Springs, N.C., where he owns a roofing company, went on to transform his own life and create an impressive resume including his most-prized achievement - the 2001 World Road Race Champion title (ages 50-53) - and 18 national titles.

Well, well, well. It's much worse than we could ever have imagined. As part of his punishment, he should be required to go on Opra.
I'll be naming my first son LeDuc.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/01/news/salas-suspended-two-years-for-tampering-with-doping-control_314063

I'm going to cross post this; it is revolting that Velonews would lionize dopers just for pageviews.  Probably expected, but still revolting.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/01/lists/the-top-10-climbers-of-all-time_309670
"Everyone else was doing it, and besides, they were naturally gifted anyway!"
I wouldn't go as far as to call it revolting. It would be difficult to have top-10 of climbers without Marco Pantani. I'm less certain I would have Lance as a climber, he certainly wasn't just a pure climber. And of the list those two are the only two proven major dopers.
Contador was 100% guilty, but the order of magnitude was different from Lance and Marco.

Some of the others also probably (or almost certainly - depending on your conviction) took pills, but in an era before doping was illegal: Coppi and Gaul for example.

I think they actually did well to avoid some of the other highly charged climbers such as Chava Jimenez and Virenque.

Virenque would have been revolting,
However, Lucien Van Impe deserved the top notch, he was a class act on a bike.
Van Impe....
Jules said:
I'm going to cross post this; it is revolting that Velonews would lionize dopers just for pageviews.  Probably expected, but still revolting.

The truly revolting part is my exclusion from that list...

I don't understand why Pantani would make anybody's list as a top climber or racer.  He was doping in his amateur days, well in advance of his biggest amateur victories.  even the "doped era" excuse falls flat as he could barely finish minor races in a semi-doped state.

Clickbait could be the savior of news sites, and I can understand why VeloNews would want to try their hand. We're discussing it, we looked at it.  We proved the value.  

twoyacks said:
Jules said:
I'm going to cross post this; it is revolting that Velonews would lionize dopers just for pageviews.  Probably expected, but still revolting.

The truly revolting part is my exclusion from that list...

holly mother of god get that kid a sun lamp. 
mugwump said:


Clickbait could be the savior of news sites, and I can understand why VeloNews would want to try their hand. We're discussing it, we looked at it.  We proved the value.  
I know this isn't the Monetizing the Internet thread, but clickbait is a terrible long term monetization strategy for publications. Unless you're publishing enough and doing enough A/B testing of headlines and link strategies you're never going to beat the likes of BuzzFeed and Upworthy. It also is not a sustainable business model. 

In other news thank all those people doing Rock & Road marathons and muddy buddies for keeping the lights on at Competitor Group, so we can enjoy Velonews. 

I tried to post this before... not sure what happened. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/17/sports/olympics/the-dutch-speedskaters-are-thrilled-the-americans-baffled.html?ref=sports

The Dutch are absolutely destroying speed skating - men's, women's, long and short track. 

"No team been so dominant in the sport since East Germany in the 1980s." 

Raises some eyebrows, no? 

Mike Frayse claimed, in last night's documentary on Nelson Vails, that the reason the Russian's boycotted the 1984 olympics was that there was a new test for anabolic steroids, and that they were all doped to the gills!

Of course, he didn't go on to talk about the blood doping that the american team was engaging in. Legal at the time.