Feb 16, 2014 at 09:38 PM
Watching "The Armstong Lie" right now on the trainer...
Professional Dopers
Feb 16, 2014 at 10:10 PM
Where did you get it?
Feb 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM
iTunes. It's got a great soundtrack too.dstokes said:Where did you get it?
Feb 17, 2014 at 12:44 AM
@stokes, perhaps a "well duh" moment for me, but that meshes well with an excerpt from the book The Sports Gene which notes that women's athletic records mainly peaked during the 70s and 80s when much of the eastern bloc nations doped up their women with testosterone, aka steroids.
Feb 17, 2014 at 12:57 AM
Feb 17, 2014 at 01:23 AM
"bloc nations doped up their women with testosterone, aka steroids."
Saw a really sad documentary on that, all sorts of health problems and gender issues.
Feb 17, 2014 at 01:30 AM
Not sure if I shared this anecdote before, but in the early 90's when I was swimming at the University of Toronto our pool had recently been remodeled while the women's national team was visiting.
At one point the Canadian women were headed back into the locker rooms to change when they heard a bunch of contractors (men's voices) talking. The Canadian women complained to the coach about the scheduling snafu... only to be shocked when the "contractors" emerged; it was the Chinese women's team.
Feb 17, 2014 at 02:50 AM
One of the many weaknesses of The Sports Gene is how he avoids the topic of doping.David Yang said:@stokes, perhaps a "well duh" moment for me, but that meshes well with an excerpt from the book The Sports Gene which notes that women's athletic records mainly peaked during the 70s and 80s when much of the eastern bloc nations doped up their women with testosterone, aka steroids.
Feb 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/training-center/an-analysis-of-the-long-term-effects-of-performance-enhancing-drugs_317590
Vande Velde's response is an epic fail...“That is the most ridiculous thing,” said Christian Vande Velde (Garmin-Sharp) when asked if the effects of doping were permanent. Like his Garmin teammates Tom Danielson and Dave Zabriskie, Vande Velde served a six-month, off-season ban from the sport after admitting to doping while supporting the United States Anti-Doping Agency investigation into Lance Armstrong. “I didn’t dope that much. It was just a few times. It didn’t even help that much …" The previous statement is now "the most ridiculous thing" Vande Velde ever said.
a. didn't dope that much
b. it was just a few times
c. it didn't even help that much
Feb 20, 2014 at 01:04 PM
Oh my....it is a "target rich" article...thank you Dave Z
“Me and Christian… we never trained as hard as we train now,” Zabriskie said in August, at the USA Pro Challenge, before announcing his retirement. “It’s not the same. It wasn’t the same level. There weren’t guys like [physiologist] Allen Lim out there measuring lactate, figuring out inflammatory diets, with rice cakes and special electrolyte drinks,” he said.
so its the rice cakes and the special electrolyte drinks Dr. Lim handed out? now where did i put that clip....oh here it is:
In Floyd Landis' letter to the UCI, Floyd claims that in 2005 he hired Lim as his assistant to help with details and logistics of blood transfusions. "He helped Levi Leipheimer and me and made sure they were kept at the proper temperature."
Feb 20, 2014 at 02:11 PM
This article might better go in the local dopers thread. All the same, it addresses the idea that doping didn't help that much.
Feb 20, 2014 at 11:12 PM
I'm shocked (pun intended) that Vande Velde did not mention his Q-Rings....they are mechanical doping
Feb 21, 2014 at 02:09 AM
OBJECTION!twoyacks said:I'm shocked (pun intended) that Vande Velde did not mention his Q-Rings....they are mechanical doping
Feb 21, 2014 at 01:24 PM
How come it takes USADA so long to announce/discover/confirm doping violations when within a week or so, we get news of a positive at the Olympics?
http://wintergames.ap.org/article/german-athlete-tests-positive-sochi-olympics
Feb 21, 2014 at 01:43 PM
Jules said:https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1387814939/7674969.gifOBJECTION!twoyacks said:I'm shocked (pun intended) that Vande Velde did not mention his Q-Rings....they are mechanical doping
Feb 27, 2014 at 03:17 AM
"We’re about to find out what the penalty for perjury is in a civil proceeding.”
https://sres.dallasnews.com/options.html?ERIGHTS_TARGET=http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/02/dallas-judge-denies-lance-armstrongs-attempt-to-stop-panel-from-revisiting-agreement-worth-12-million.html/?nclick_check=1
Feb 27, 2014 at 03:54 AM
Feb 27, 2014 at 11:07 PM
How long can people be interested enough in this stuff to read books and watch full length documentaries?
There's an aspect of this that just looks like people shaking out the last of the piggy bank.
"Hey, you can still make money off the Armstrong thing if you come at it from this angle..."
Enough already
Feb 27, 2014 at 11:37 PM
I quite enjoy watching the people tell their stories "in person" rather than being served whatever nonsense VeloNews or their ilk feed up...
Feb 27, 2014 at 11:41 PM
As long as people keep throwing down 6.7W/Kg?
Feb 27, 2014 at 11:46 PM
Paging Mr. Basso...
Feb 28, 2014 at 12:06 AM
I'm almost totally uninterested in LA stuff, but I have to say the ABC trailer was more compelling in it's editing/production than any of the others I've seen. That said, I still don't really care. Other than the stories about getting dropped on the flats in the 53-11. I probably would've gone on the lube, if riding a bike was all I knew how to do and it wss essentially condoned. I spun out in the 53-11 descending in Cali last week once!
Feb 28, 2014 at 01:25 AM
I suppose we should all just "zip the lip"
Feb 28, 2014 at 03:03 AM
With numbers like this, I don't even think this guy gets to call himself "Professional"
"Briceño tested with a hematocrit level of 63, well above the UCI-imposed health limit of 50 percent. He also revealed a hemoglobin level above 21"
Mar 03, 2014 at 02:05 PM
Interesting article on RNA testing for doping
Also interesting he didn't *answer* this question
"He spent years picking through the DNA of East African runners, looking for a source to their prowess. But he couldn’t find a genetic cause. In fact, he started to wonder if they were just doping..."
Mar 03, 2014 at 03:05 PM
the researcher in question was also profiled in The Sport Gene. Yet the possibility of doping didn't come up in that book. Hmmmn.Jules said:Interesting article on RNA testing for dopingAlso interesting he didn't *answer* this question"He spent years picking through the DNA of East African runners, looking for a source to their prowess. But he couldn’t find a genetic cause. In fact, he started to wonder if they were just doping..."
Mar 03, 2014 at 03:54 PM
Ockham's Razor
Mar 06, 2014 at 02:18 AM
Mar 06, 2014 at 11:03 PM
I'm reading cycle of lies....and it is the best Armstrong book yet. Yes we all know the players and much is rehashed....but I still find it compelling reading....This is what Lim has to say about Landis and Lance: In training Armstrong for the Tour, Lim came to the opinion that Floyd Landis had been far superior to Armstrong in terms of the power he could generate on the bike. “I’ve seen them both, and Floyd is way better. He’s a way better athlete, bottom line.” If there had been no doping in cycling, Lim contends, Landis would have won ten Tour de France titles, maybe more.
Mar 11, 2014 at 06:20 PM
@twoyacks-Agreed about this book.