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Well I for one am sure going to sleep a LOT better now that USADA and WADA have slapped the hand of a vicious, cutthroat mastermind or deception. Just imagine what kind of devious mind it takes to dope your way to victory in a field of 1. The intent to cheat his competitors here is clearly unequivocal.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/90-year-old-pursuit-world-champion-given-public-warning-for-anti-doping-violation/

I get your point, but he did break the world record. If he was doped, should the new time be in record books?

eloy said:

I get your point, but he did break the world record. If he was doped, should the new time be in record books?

I honestly hadn't given it a moment's thought. I think the record books are filled to overflowing with suspect records and will continue to be.

I'm upset that USADA/WADA is spending an iota of effort/money policing nonogenerians when they've shown themselves to be so fundamentally unable or unwilling to do the right thing for the mainstream of sports they police.

Jules said:

eloy said:

I get your point, but he did break the world record. If he was doped, should the new time be in record books?

I honestly hadn't given it a moment's thought. I think the record books are filled to overflowing with suspect records and will continue to be.

I'm upset that USADA/WADA is spending an iota of effort/money policing nonogenerians when they've shown themselves to be so fundamentally unable or unwilling to do the right thing for the mainstream of sports they police.

Agree that they could and should do a much better job with the mainstream sports. Also agree that Bolt is probably the most suspect athlete on earth.

But still confused on what USADA was supposed to do here. Dude gets mega kudos for competing at that age, but if he failed the test: he failed the test.

Why test him and not cat 123 podium placers - especially those known to have doped? Clearly if they make a test and he fails it they've got to do something. I'm taking issue with everything they do - this is just a stupid symptom. Or a symptom of stupid.

Check this thread, with Neal Rogers, Gaimon, and Schieken, chiming in on this:

Fwiw,
     I'm far more disgusted by the doper.  You don't have to pin on a number to dope.  and he didn't need to dope to win.  I think we should expect every national championship to be dope tested.  I remember being bummed to find out when I did road nationals in 2006-2007, they pretended they were testing, but didn't.  And I sure hoped they tested masters track natz last year.  those guys were really fast.

BTW,
     I've been given Tramadol the past few days.  I'm not competing or even operating light machinery.  This computer is about as complex as to gets.

From what I understand from the CyclingTips Podcast, he passed a test the day of his race and then had trace amounts of a banned substance in his system the next day when he was tested again. Apparently he had beef liver the night before the 2nd test which USADA accepted as a reason for the failed test. From what I understand, Contador tried a similar argument a few years ago but had waaaaay more of the banned substance in his system. 

Another crazy/ kinda scary thing is that the 90yo also had some sort of vitamin supplement that tested positive for another banned substance (it wasn't listed on the ingredients and didn't show up in his drug test). 

USADA seems to feel like there was genuinely no intent to cheat but I'm sure it would be a bit more complicated if someone else was in his age group. I don't really know what to make of the whole thing.

Things get a little more wacky! I had no idea Tim coached Grove haha. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BseOgUKlp2j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=jov2n0neyluk

The CyclingTips podcast has re-broadcast excerpts from a cross country skiing podcast about one of the skiers caught in the Austrian doping bust. The Estonian athlete Karel Tammjärv describes how he and Dr. Shmidt "successfully" cheated the biological passport.

I found it fascinating for a couple of reasons. First, unlike the usual arguments about disappearing twins and other forms of lawyering up, this guy just goes on a podcast and admits to his actions and describes who was involved and what he did. Apparently there are no laws against doping in Estonia, so he wasn't necessarily concerned about getting in more trouble than he already was.

Second, it is interesting to get a sense of how athletes might be trying to game the bio-passport. The takeaway is that it is possible, but more difficult than in the past and has less performance boost than in years past. The skier refers to WADA as toothless, which is true, but perhaps in the end its effectiveness is akin to setting a speed limits for automobiles and having speed traps and other forms of enforcement. People are still going to speed, but may do it less frequently and less egregiously than in the wild west days where they knew they were unlikely to ever be caught. Is that perfect or even acceptable? Probably not, but I am not sure that there is a better system out there. It seems to me that that WADA are super careful to get statistically unusual data before pursuing athletes. I hope that along with law enforcmentment that they target and monitor suspicious athletes closely. 

Okay, here is the link to the Cycling Tips podcast with excerpts related to the bio-passport.

The full interview can be found on the Nordic Nation podcast. You hear more about the athletes background, how he got into doping and how this has impacted him since getting caught. I found this interesting from a psychological point of view. 

This section of text popped out at me.

"De Vlaeminck’s obsession with preserving his health saw his career last until 1984 and gave us both a thrilling dual with Francesco Moser in the late 1970s and early 80s, and an insight into the direction the sport was taking. After the 1981 edition of Paris Roubaix, won by Bernard Hinault with De Vlaeminck second — the only time he would place ahead of Moser, who completed the podium — the Belgian was accosted by a small, bespectacled doctor who worked for the Italian. 

Michele Ferrari told Mr. Paris Roubaix that he could all but guarantee he would win a fifth cobblestone, if he would allow the good doctor to draw some blood at a strategic moment, deep-freeze it and then re-infuse it just before the following year’s Roubaix. After all, how do you think Moser did it?

De Vlaeminck was shocked, and scared. “I didn’t do it because the idea scared me,” he said. “It sounded terrible. I didn’t want to know anything about it.”"

https://cyclingtips.com/2019/05/a-chat-with-roger-de-vlaeminck-the-greatest-classics-rider-of-all-time/

In other news, the Swiss cycling federation was surprised that Danilo Hondo admitted to doping.  Maybe none of them were alive in 2005, or noticed the teams he rode for.  https://dopeology.org/people/Danilo_Hondo/

mugwump said:

In other news, the Swiss cycling federation was surprised that Danilo Hondo admitted to doping.  Maybe none of them were alive in 2005, or noticed the teams he rode for.  https://dopeology.org/people/Danilo_Hondo/

Lol

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/riders-pulled-giro-ditalia-tour-california-uci-publishes-names-linked-blood-doping-scandal-423475
Pay special attention to the teams they ride for.

I'm still amazed no one from Astana gets busted 

DENISE BETSEMA’S URINE B SAMPLE TESTS POSITIVE

https://www.cxmagazine.com/denise-betsemas-b-sample-tests-positive-anabolic-steroid

Betsema turned out to be suck defined.

NBC Sports releases a 30 minutes interview with the most infamous doper in history

https://youtu.be/ac_x4ucbReo

Lying liar lies about lying. Again. News at 11.

Is there any reason to watch the video?  I don't want to add to the clicks.

Please don't

GFNY dopers are still on the move.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/two-cyclists-positive-for-epo-at-gfny-world-championships/

I find the idea that people would dope for a gran fondo hard to wrap my head around.

Does the GFNY have a legitimate prize list? Are these guys doping for bragging rights? 

I don’t know how old these guys were, but I figure after a certain age we are all fighting against the inevitable decline and want to keep what is left of our youth and vitality from slipping through our fingers.

I can identify with being the old guy who feels a little older every year. If someone offered me an elixir that made me feel younger and faster then I might be tempted to take it. But to attempt to feel good by cheating others? No way

I can only guess that they conveniently ignore the fact that they are cheating other competitors and convince themselves that they couldn’t get the rush that comes from competition if they didn’t dope. No way they are doing it for prizes. How sad

PatrickGrehan said:

I find the idea that people would dope for a gran fondo hard to wrap my head around.

Does the GFNY have a legitimate prize list? Are these guys doping for bragging rights? 

I don’t know how old these guys were, but I figure after a certain age we are all fighting against the inevitable decline and want to keep what is left of our youth and vitality from slipping through our fingers.

I can identify with being the old guy who feels a little older every year. If someone offered me an elixir that made me feel younger and faster then I might be tempted to take it. But to attempt to feel good by cheating others? No way

I can only guess that they conveniently ignore the fact that they are cheating other competitors and convince themselves that they couldn’t get the rush that comes from competition if they didn’t dope. No way they are doing it for prizes. How sad

Agree.

These people are not doping specifically for the GFNY fondo -- that's what more terrifying, they are doping to just ride around, race, and whatever the hell they do on bicycles on their local scenes, daily lives.

I forget his name, but I once briefly meet the New Yorker doper dude that was also caught at the GFNY tests. He went from cat 5 to 2 in one season. I remember how sad I felt for him: He had completely missed everything that makes riding bicycles fun and awesome. He honestly has no idea how sweet it is.

David Anthony , He claim it did to feel more accepted/ respected  amongst NYC cycling scene, wonder where he is now