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Hey, where is everybody?
 we had a fun windy day of track racing at Kissena track. Next sunday round 2.
How'd it go? Love to hear more.

FWIW, I'm looking forward to track racing this season, but will be focused on getting out to Tuesday nights at T-town, this summer.
It was my first time racing track and I think I'm hooked. I haven't had that much fun on the bike in a long time!

I was able to take 4th place overall for the Cat 5 A group.

@VladiKhlopine it was nice meeting/racing with you.
Oh yeah, and surprise surprise Ros won the 4s omnium
It was my first time racing track and I think I'm hooked. I haven't had that much fun on the bike in a long time!

I was able to take 4th place overall for the Cat 5 A group.

@VladiKhlopine it was nice meeting/racing with you.
nice meeting you too! your kid is cute
Does anybody know if they're are any clinics coming up at the the velodrome replete w loaner bikes? 


Pink Rhino does clinics starting around this time of year. Check their social media.
Beautiful evening at the track with Kayt and Graydon.

Kayt was stuck in with only one other woman in a small junior field. Strange, last year there would have been 10 or more 3/4 women. A fluke, hopefully. She raced as we are all familiar with her racing, marking all the right stuff but getting outgunned by the bigger women when it came down to the sprint. In her first race (I think) she went with a mid-race move and got a gap on her female competitor with a ways to go. She stayed away. That's gotta be her tactic of choice: find a way to break free of the traditional sprint scenario.

Graydon raced quite well considering how new he is to racing. He had one serious ringer in his 5 field and another guy who also proved quite strong and savvy. Graydon wasn't intimidated though. He raced with aggression and a good eye for the right wheel. He had the balls to stick on threatening moves and suck some wind when it counted. A particular highlight was the miss-and-out race. He got to the last four with some serious tactics. He tested out pretty much every strategy in this race and eliminated an impressive number of guys from every imaginable position. 

I raced very timidly today. Stuck to the back for the most part. I accidentally started dead-last on the rail of the four-lap scratch race to start. I was practically back in Turn 4. Never had a chance. But it was good to ease into track racing for the year. I probably finished around 10th in a field of 30 or so. I took the final points in the points race that came next, but missed out on the win because one kid placed in two points laps. I botched the snowball that followed because I was still pukey from the race before and thought the race ended a lap earlier than it did.

It was a great start to track season for me. I have gauged my strengths and weaknesses and I have a plan to get better.
Thanks Jeff!

It was a slightly frustrating first night of the Twilight Series for me, but any disappointment was overshadowed by the beautiful night and watching Graydon and Jeff race in their respective fields.

Jeff is being too modest--in the final lap of the points race he pulled away with such ferociousness that the rest of the field just gave up. It was amazing to watch. Graydon did superbly well considering the sprinters in his field, especially in the mind-game race that is the miss-and-out. 

Hope to see more Kissenas out at the track on Wednesday nights! 


Yeah Thanks for the great write up Jeff!

I agree with Kayt, Jeff is being modest. Jeff pulled away at the perfect moment, and really played to his strengths. No one could bridge and get to him!

It was nice to have Kissena representing out there! Looking forward to many more to come.
Great night at the track on Wednesday night.

My first race was a 7 lap win and out. I'm not a sprinter so I had my sights set on going for second place, knowing that the sprinters wouldn't want to stick around that long. When we started the race my legs weren't feeling great, and when the bell was rung for the first place sprint, the sprinters turned on the gas and got away. It took a lot of will power to not go after them, and sure enough 1 lap later we caught up with the remaining sprinters. With one to go for the second place sprint I finally started feeling good. I made my move right out of turn two and was able to stay away and take second place! 

Was able to scoop up some more points in the snow ball, and hang on in our scratch race, placing 4th over all in Cat 5 omnium. 

All in all I was pleased with my performance, and it was my first time placing second in a bike race so that smile stayed with me the rest of the evening. Looking to work on creating some long bomb moves and trying to separate my self from the sprinters.

Hope to see more Kissena's out there next week!
Heads up, there is a women and juniors track clinic this Sunday 6/7.  There are a few loaner bikes available but you need to register under that category.

https://www.bikereg.com/kissena-womens-junior-track-clinic
Anyone else doing the NY State Track Championships this weekend?

I'll be there Saturday for sure.  Not certain about Sunday, though I have a lead on a team sprint teammate.

Schedule of events: http://www.kissenavelodrome.info/info/2015/2015StateChampionshipFlyer.pdf
I wish I could. I'm in SF for work.
New York State Track Championships 2015
Two-day format.  mass-start events on day one, time trials and match sprint on day two.
D1=scratch, points, elimination races
D2=kilo, team sprint, flying 200, and match sprint
Omnium=all mass-start plus kilo and flying 200.

The omnium seems to change pretty regularly.  some years, you need to do the match sprint and the team sprint as well.  

My main hopes were in the mass-start events.  The 1/2/3 field was looking pretty strong.  Whilst only 14 riders, Sommerville came with three (Leahy, Da Silva, Perlberg), Pink Rhino came with three. and there were a few solo hammers (Mark Wagner, Keith Garrison, Juergen Beneke) to contend with.

With Kieran Leahy (Sommerville) fresh off medaling at the Irish nationals, he was certainly not someone anyone in the field should want to sprint against.  That alone should have kept just about everyone interested in breaking away in the mass start races.

Scratch was first. 15 laps I think.  I figured I could get a break going.  Da Silva was protecting Leahy, but Perlberg was on the move as well.  The Pink Rhino guys either didn't have a plan or weren't executing it at all well.

I got away a bunch of times, with others, and even rode tempo off the front a bit, waiting for reinforcements.  But couldn't get the combo I needed.  Then, when I was just brought back, four laps remaining.  Beneke went.  He rolled off from high on the track.  No one reacted.  It was strange to me.  They needed to do something before two to go or Beneke would take it.  Juergen has been strong every time I've seen him race, and he was the UCI Downhill World Champ 22 years ago (really. did well at the World Cup, back then, too, and those were the days when DH riders were mostly XC guys who were a bit better at going down).  Neither Sommerville nor Pink Rhino did anything for two laps.  Then Sommerville started chasing too late.  

I should have keyed off of Kieran, but didn't.  We were strung out for the last lap, and I was out of position in the final 200, but everyone was strung out and it wasn't really much of a sprint, Just everyone following Kieran.  I think I was 7th.

With the 25-lap points race, I was certain the field would be fast and together for the first sprint, then the attacks would really happen.  I knew Juergen and Sommerville would be going for it after that at the very least.

The attacks started happening on the second lap.  We were pretty ballistic for the first sprint, and then I attacked with Juergen.  We got a gap, but it was sort-of closed down, and Perlberg went and I went after him.  We got jumped by Pink Rhino's Brean for the sprint at 15 to go--he had refused to pull.  The attacks continued.  Perlberg rolled off, and I decided I wasn't going to pull Brean, but he jumped me for second-place points at 10 to go.  I chased down Perlberg, he went again.  Perlberg hung on for the points at 5 to go, and I got second.  And I steamed past him hoping to win the last one, but Da Silva then sprung into action.  I was pulled back and took sixth wheel for the final lap.  One rider blew up and I moved up to fifth, but couldn't close to fourth.  

That mistake on the last sprint cost me the bronze.

In terms of the elimination race, I made a mistake of getting stuck low and was pulled when my legs were still fresh.  

Kilo is never fun.  And I had a poor time. 

Couldn't get a team sprint squad.

Had to go home before my flying 200.  End of day.

In the Omnium, Kieran won, Juergen was second.  Wagner third.

It was good to go.  Bad not to medal at all.

Teammates on the track can be amazingly effective. Obviously Kieren is top of the field regardless, but if you have a couple of strong teammates to chase things down, and you are strong closer, game over. Or that's what I experienced, back in the way back.
BUMP. Apologies if there is an active thread but I couldn't find it. It's only a month until 6 Days of Kissena and I'm keen to get involved. I've never raced on the track (in the UK you have to pass tests etc.) but I've done a good amount of training. Anyone else keen?
Another bump. Just over a week to go now. Weather permitting I'll be there. Who else is heading over?
Hey, is anyone coming out to the track tomorrow? Wondering who the hopeful few are...I know the weather is really throwing us for a loop. 
I'll be there. First time racing.
@EduardSpektor I've just arrived at the track. The bike I'm riding is a Tokyo Fixed. Come and say hi if you see me. I'm new. 

First ever race and as such my first report. Forgive me.

Arrived at 1215, races due to start at 1300. Ride over was a nice enough 10 miles or so but it was pretty cold. I was wearing quite a lot and took more clothes (as recommended) in my bag. Wore full leggings and a rowing undershirt all day. The wind was crazy strong when spectating but it it didn't feel as brutal on track and in the opposite direction to @mugwump's  track day so there was a nice home straight tail wind.

Races ended up starting nearer 1400 because of some administration problems which were blamed on it being the first meet of the season.

There were  6 categories of racing. 4s, 4 womens, masters, e123 women, 5s then e123 men. The men's 4 and 5 were each split into two groups because there were over 20 in each. In total 93 people registered to race.

For me (Cat 5 evens) there were 3 scratch races of 5,4 and 7 laps with the chance of qualifying for the b feature race. I had been feeling very nervous in the days leading up to the race but when I got to the track I felt at home which was nice. I also set my expectations very low - stay safe, get a feel for position and gearing. I also had no idea what to expect despite doing as much strava and forum research as I could.

In race one I chased down an early attack before it got going which felt good. Then as we went round together about 5 went off the front with 2 to go. I just didn't go for it. Probably finished 6/7th. 

Race two was short and going round nicely, once again they (the bigger geared/stronger) went with like 2 to go, once again I didn't go but finished at the front of the second group having chased down a front group straggler. 

Race three was 7 laps and I was looking forward to as it was a bit longer. Went around pretty nicely then with two to go they went,  I was behind a guy on the back straight who went to chase but didn't have it in him and then I was boxed in by two people coming round the outside so I got on their wheels, at this point break group had gone too far but I was pretty confident that I could get past the two that boxed me and maybe pick up fifth which I did easily enough by going a bit harder on the last lap, the other guy blew up on the home straight and I don't think he thought there was going to be anyone there so I just whooshed past and got myself some points.

As I said it was crazy windy and pretty hard to keep warm between races. It was very weird on finishing a race because my legs just kind of stiffened right up. I'll definitely need to train and for that feeling I think and I could definitely see the benefits of having rollers/trainer there. It felt tough because unless you have a trainer or rollers you can't warm up for each race so you kind of go cold to hot and back down. There were a good number of people with them though and I think if I were to drive I'd take @David Yang's with me.

Looking at the stats I'm pretty sure I could have worked harder. I mean max hr of 169...? I think I could have rolled with each of the breaks had I wanted to but I could have been slightly under geared riding 84.7. Next week I'll put more effort in. It was super fun though and a really nice atmosphere. Lots of people chatting and stuff. If the weather is good it must be incredible. I think @EvelynDeLaRosa was there in Kissena kit, I was just wearing a mash of stuff to keep warm with no Kissena kit yet.

There will hopefully be the same turnout next week. For the ladies out there Kimberly Geist will be racing next week (former medalist at world champs, also finished 7th in this years point's race).

I could go on but I'd be surprised if anyone has made it this far. Needless to say I enjoyed it and will be back next week. Who's joining me?

@JamesShaw
Hey i saw that you were registered but couldn't spot you! I'm sorry .. lets link up next week I will be there for sure .. OH and also I will be at the track on wednesday to train ! let me know if your interested. 

Since im here , heres my race re cap ! : 

wind played a huge factor on sundays race i changed my ratio to something easier to spin 51 x 17 which to my surprise I like alot! 

my first race was pretty interesting i was under the impression that we were suppose to sprint at the end of each lap to the finish to get points, when in fact it was a regular scratch race . I gave my all on the first lap to fight the wind and cross the line first which i did!! But to my surprise i threw up due to my lack of NOT BREATHING ! so next week I will be focusing ALOT MORE on breathing. 

I burnt myself out so bad in the first race i kept "decent " positions" in the last 2 races , plus it was only getting colder and more miserable.

On the bright side TRACK SEASON IS FINALLY HERE!! 
@Evelyn Great report! Figuring out what level of effort makes you puke is helpful, obvs you were trying very very hard! You can however mostly avoid that situation with a proper warm up. This from team Sky:

https://youtu.be/Q3VL5JCqQhQ

It used to be that an easy spinning, 10-minute warm-up sufficed but that is no longer considered to be enough so here’s how the best do it. You may have seen this warm-up protocol from British Cycling and Team SKY before in the context of time-trials, but it is well worth using for winter workouts and races as well. It transforms your warm-up from being a ‘bit of a spin’ to a proper integral part of your training regime or race preparation.

Being properly set-up for the efforts you are about to undertake will improve your ability to perform them, reduce the chances of injury and allow you to train harder. Just remember it is winter; wear plenty of layers that you can easily remove as you warm-up. Knees are particularly vulnerable in winter, whether outside or just sat in front of you your turbo training cooling fan, so an extra set of knee warmers won’t do you any harm.

 

The Standard Team SKY Warm-Up: 

5 min light spinning
8 min progressive to Zone 5 – gradually increase the effort until reach maximum power output without sprinting
2 min easy – to recover from the above
2 min to include 3 x 6 second sprints to fully prime all the musculature involved in cycling
3 mins easy – to recover from the above before the race start

 

Note that this is identical to the British Cycling warm-up detailed below:

TimeCadenceInstruction/Focus

5 Minutes90Smooth Pedalling
2 Minutes95Smooth Pedalling
2 Minutes100Smooth Pedalling
2 Minutes105Smooth Pedalling
1 Minute 30 Seconds110Smooth Pedalling
30 Seconds120-130Maintain Form
2 Minute90Relax and Recover
6 Seconds150+Max Rev Out
1 Minute90Smooth Pedalling
6 Seconds150+Max Rev Out
1 Minute90Smooth Pedalling
6 Seconds150+Max Rev Out
2 Minutes 42 Seconds90Smooth Pedalling

 
@JohnMalcolmson How do you think the above would differ for the track? It seems like the above should easy enough to do with a geared bike on a stationary trainer, less so on a track bike and a velodrome.
@JamesShaw
you could the same warm up on the track itself or on rollers.
@eloy I assume riding a an easier gear than race gearing?
@James The Sky protocol you'd use a road bike. The British Cycling warmup would be ok on the rollers, maybe up the cadence. Cadence is super important, you'll find novice trackies don't do enough high cadence work. Top track racers have great coordination, agility and a highly trained neuromuscular system, enabling muscle power to be efficiently transferred to the cranks.
https://youtu.be/abHnNGLt-AU

I need to work on my track racing skills anyone wants to ride sometime to the velo and train or central park work as well? Im free most weekdays after 5p 
@Edgar Manga I'm definitely keen for some evening workouts, especially at the track. 
Gonna try to be there Sunday. Have room for two in the car.