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updated list:

Carbon frames
Fat Cav

The Argos dude went at Cav and Cav won the hit. Look at the screenshots Alex posted. Argos's wheels are to the left of the line in one shot, way to the right in the next. Mark is on exactly the same line. It's very cut and dried. Don't try to swerve Fat Cav off his line unless you can win the hit, and you probably can't.
Oh, and the recorder grab was hilarious. Am I the only guy who can't get enough Fat Cav?
Adam said:
updated list:

Carbon frames
Fat Cav

you forgot Lance
Amended:

Carbon Frames
Fat Cav
Lance Armstrong

Yacks-you need to make site where you have your list.  It may look something like this: http://www.zangief.net/ (Soviet national anthem optional, although recommended).
Little guys often have an edge in bumping contest.  Lower center of gravity means they're often harder to knock off, though bigger guys can typically hold their line better.  Veelers was cooked for sure.  Cav' might have been expecting more of a lean from Veelers and Veelers was surprised by any contact at all.

If you watch the intermediate sprint, Sagan's two leadout guys pulled off to the left, one wider than the other, leaving Greipel to go far to the left to get around them while Sagan had a pretty much straight shot at the line.  Greipel still won.

BTW, the scariest thing about seeing Kittel vs. Greipel is realizing how small Kittel makes the Gorilla look.
Oh, and the recorder grab was hilarious. Am I the only guy who can't get enough Fat Cav?
+1 for fat cav.  love that guy. 


Oh, and the recorder grab was hilarious. Am I the only guy who can't get enough Fat Cav?

+1 for fat cav.  love that guy. 
Me three. Plus. What would bike racing be without gossip? BOR-RING! That's what.

I watched the sprint in super-slow-mo thanks to my DVR about 10 times. Cav fourth wheel, panics when Veelers lets a gap open up to 2nd wheel. Cav cuts across the road to get to Greipel's and takes Veelers out.

That's my interpretation.

BUT, to borrow a rule from the NFL, if the video replay is not conclusive to overturn the ruling on the field, the call stands.

I think though, we can all agree that Cav should stop being such a baby. And a dick. He should stop being a baby dick. That is all. Click clack moo. Cows that type.
I love Cav !  I just don't want him to win.  He is much more entertaining when he loses.  I want Cav's to be around for awhile.  Carbon & Armstrong can go shit themselves for all I care.  All 3 of my foils will be in the headlines for years to come.  Cav's, because he is fast.  Carbon, because of the profit margins of mass produced goods in countries with no real workplace safety or environmental checks.  Armstrong, because the litany of lawsuits against him will ensure a steady stream of headlines for the next 10 years.

Cav's chose to bump today.  If you have ever been hooked from behind, there is nothing you can do except wait for the pain.  The Argo's guy had no idea Cav's was there.  You can barely see that little twerp in the peloton.  

http://twitpic.com/d1qi89/full

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/riled-cavendish-tells-twitter-experts-to-sprint-and-get-back-to-him-takes-reporters-recorder_294440
I agree with Jeff White. Veelers moves quite a ways to the right between frames 4 and 5 in these stills. And that was after swerving quite a ways to the left in previous frames.
But I also agree with Yacks. Cav is much more entertaining when he loses.

http://tourdejose.com/2013/07/09/screenshots-cavendish-and-veelers/

Someone gave Cav a golden shower during today's TT:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/idiot-fan-throws-urine-at-cavendish-during-tour-de-france-time-trial_294527


^ scumbags.

but, more reasons to love fat cav:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/riled-cavendish-tells-twitter-experts-to-sprint-and-get-back-to-him-takes-reporters-recorder_294440

"The man at the center of the controversy, Cavendish fired back on Twitter later in the evening, writing, “Can all sprint experts on twitter go & try flicking their bike right at 65kph without leaning your body left to balance & come back to me"
There was no intention to avoid... Veelers new Cav was there and was taking him right, Cav paid him back x 10 with a textbook hook. Nothing new: http://bit.ly/9pts3M 
I feel like we're watching a very strange Tour.  I wonder if it is because most but not all of the peloton are off the juice; sort of the inverse of years past.
There was no intention to avoid... Veelers new Cav was there and was taking him right, Cav paid him back x 10 with a textbook hook. Nothing new: http://bit.ly/9pts3M 

a word of caution to those using the nbcs tour app: watch your data usage.

i started receiving emails from AT&T last week, saying that i was fast approaching my 2GB data limit.  this only six days into my billing cycle and for someone who typically uses less than 1GB per month.

this puzzled me because when i am in the office and at home i am on wifi, so i couldn't figure out what was consuming so much data.  i did some digging online and found that this was a kind of common problem, but i suspected the tour app had something to do with it.

as a test, i reset my cellular data counter to zero right before launching the app, watched about two hours of the tour and then checked the counter again.  lo and behold: i had used over 100mb of cellular data even though i was connected to wifi the entire time.

i am not sure whether this is a quirk with the app; i suspect it's actually more a quirk of the iphone.  but regardless: it's a stupid and expensive problem.

i now turn off cellular data before launching the app to force everything through wfi. 

just thought you should know.

and whitey -- you can go politely fuck yourself if you're in anyway inclined to post the "cool story, bro" picture.  i am simply providing a public service.


For the record...I was NOT in France today.....

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/idiot-fan-throws-urine-at-cavendish-during-tour-de-france-time-trial_294527

@Yaks
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@Jules — So agree. It's continually surprising to me to watch the 'mortal' version of Contador. Knowing what a natural talent he is, it's hard not to conclude that these other guys killing it on GC (Valverde etc) are doing something a bit shifty. 

@Mark

I sent the issue to my wife who works at NBCU in the product team. She doesn't work in mobile but knows the folks who do. Knowing how they work, this issue will not be fixed for this year's tour. Look for improvements by the 2015 edition.

So, I'm back in the States - I've had the unusual experience of watching almost no TdF on TV, only reading highlights online yet also getting to see stage 5 live and direct.  In short:

Grace and I, at the advice of our buddy Paskal (French fella some of you met after a recent L&C), got to the finish in Marseille around 10.30 am.  Turns out this was not really necessary, since it was steadily raining and there was almost no one there.  We first posted up right on the line, but an overbearing Canadian and the distance from the big screen prompted us to move back about 20 meters.  We hung out all day, the weather cleared, and we were "entertained" by an endless parade of corporate sponsors and crappy swag before they even started broadcasting the race on the screen (started with about 160km to go).  Grace commented how surreal it was to be watching the race unfold on the screen just as always, yet knowing that in a couple of hours those same racers would be right in front of us, in the flesh.

Finally, the moment came - we were right in front, and being 20ish meters from the line turned out to be an awesome spot.  We could see the sprint wind up down the straightaway right after the statue of David roundabout, and we saw Cav crush it. Cadel and Schleck rolled dejectedly by us, close enough to reach out and touch.  Yeah.

Afterwards we tried to get a view of the podium ceremony, but we could only catch the tiniest glimpses of Cav, Sagan, etc. through the throng.  If you want to have a good view of the podium, you better jet over there as soon as the first riders cross the line.  We savored seeing all the riders (except some who were still recovering from the crash) roll by instead.  Grace said that if she believed in having a bucket list, that that experience would definitely have been on it.  I agreed.
@Tito. Nice already killing your wife off. Its been less than a year of marriage, has it not?
Interesting assessment by David Millar on Cav in L'Equipe yesterday. Thank you Google for the translation.

"The problem with his own popularity is that is always the most difficult position to know whether it is popular or not. It is difficult for me to know if I am popular. Ok, it's easier to know today: it still has echoes returning to the Internet, Twitter, forums. Before, it was enough to not open the newspaper to not know what was said about you. Now you type your name into Google News and you can read ten articles a day talking about you. Personally, I try not to hang too much on the forums, even if it is always tempting to look at the particulars of my name on Twitter.
My image was probably the most blurred at the end of my time at Cofidis. Now I can say that I regret to see the person I had become the last two years. I do not like what I represented at the time (in 2004, he was indicted for possession of doping products before admitting the use of EPO and be suspended for two years, ed.) I was trapped by the mess that I caused in my life. I'm not proud but I think I used it all to change.
Mark, this is not an athlete who reacts like a robot. A controller with a button "on" on which support should be to get a warm speech. Mark Cavendish is one of those runners in controversial picture. This is a controversial character. But I think that is the lot of the real stars, whether in sports or in politics: they do not leave indifferent. They create extreme reactions. Mark or you love it or you hate it. Some people love to hate. Overall, I think people who like the majority. I know for a long time and he always wanted to become famous. The price to pay is that the slightest mistake is overexposed.

The misunderstanding with the French public, this is something that was less likely to happen to my generation. There are another 15 years, it was impossible for a young Briton to become a professional without going through France. We learned the craft and is initiated at a certain culture. Today, young Brits do not need to leave the country, to learn another language or another culture. This is not the case of Mark: This is a rider who still works in the old, with a sense of loyalty, a Real generosity toward his teammates. That is why he is a highly respected leader who runners like to give completely.

I see Mark as a great friend. The most important thing is that he's a real, integer. This is not an athlete who reacts like a robot. A controller with a button "on" on which support should be to get a warm speech. In English, an expression said he wears his heart on his sleeve. In French, it looks like we can read him like an open book. If he is angry, he shows. If he does not like something, he will say. He does not hide his feelings. There is nothing wrong with Mark. The problem is that it can create problems and then you have to cut corners. But it is essential. Without him, we would be bored. And forums too. "

does anyone know how old jens voigt is?  it's just that phil and paul haven't mentioned it in something like five minutes now. 

OK, so I don't see how to use the "spoiler" function...sooo SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!!!!!





Who's in that break?  I'm @ the shop and we have NBC on and they refuse to tell me.
amazing final sprint call on eurosport.  

[spoiler] kittel pipped cav at the line  [/spoiler]


[$poiler] this is how you do it, @tito [/$poiler]

just replace the $ with a real S

[spoiler] this is how you do it, @tito [/spoiler]
tito said:

OK, so I don't see how to use the "spoiler" function...sooo SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!!!!!





Who's in that break?  I'm @ the shop and we have NBC on and they refuse to tell me.

One word... sweeper.

Yeah Phil, I don't think OMPQ have 15 guys registered for the TdF when every other team has significantly less.  Hence, no extra guys for sweeper.
i think the sweeper won.....
he's always had good explosive power.