Oct 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM
Sorry to hear about your accident @Daniella, hope you heal up quickly.
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Oct 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM
@Daniella sorry to hear, hope you heal up fast and well.
Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Daniella - heal up fast. If you don't have a trainer to ride as you heal I have an extra you can borrow.
I also have extra rollers but according to Yang, that can be dangerous.
I also have extra rollers but according to Yang, that can be dangerous.
Oct 27, 2013 at 10:39 PM
Daniella, heal up. But I guess this means you'll be missing the am skulls sessions for a good reason.
Oct 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM
jim_nelson said:Daniella - heal up fast. If you don't have a trainer to ride as you heal I have an extra you can borrow.</ Thank you! I'm already schemimg to be on the trainer. I have a couple offers but if they fall through I'll take you up on you offer.
I also have extra rollers but according to Yang, that can be dangerous.
Oct 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM
this being Halloween week and all
Oct 27, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Only if you're an idiot like me!jim_nelson said:I also have extra rollers but according to Yang, that can be dangerous.
Oct 27, 2013 at 11:02 PM
darn! just catching up on this thread... take care in the next coming weeks, daniella! -- and, good on you jeff for sticking around.
for whats its worth, i've had the same exact close calls as some of you mentioned with runners making a "touch stone u-turn" at that same exact end of the GWB NJ side. No doubt a hot spot.
I rolled out late today but saw a small group of kissenas hauling up the court house hill on RR on my descend.
good to see you'all.
again, get well soon Daniella.
Oct 28, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Oct 28, 2013 at 01:53 AM
@Daniella this totally sucks. I just got my cast off about 6 weeks ago from my broken wrist, so if you need the brace for your transition out of the cast later, please take mine (if it's your left wrist). I also have a "bone stimulator" machine (begin jokes now) that you are welcome to have -- my insurance company paid for it and it speeds up the healing. It works through the brace -- your doctor might try to sell you one / have your insurance cover it but you really are welcome to mine). I loved working with Park Sports for PT.
Oct 28, 2013 at 03:23 AM
that really sucks @daniela-- heal up fast!
Oct 28, 2013 at 01:50 PM
@daniela - I wince just thinking about your injury. Heal quickly.
Oct 28, 2013 at 07:33 PM
Daniella, I was very sorry to hear of your accident. I hope you are back on the bike soon! Injuries, and coming back from them, are no fun. Ask Vlad. actually, ask anyone on Kissena! It seems like getting injured, and coming back from it, is just part of the sport. In reading that you broke your wrist, and that Meredith broke hers, i find myself thinking about a conversation I had with with Harry Bolick after a race this summer where he crashed. He was remarkably uninjured, considering it was a high speed crash during the sprint. He said that he had read about "how to crash on a bike", and that one has to somehow have enough presence of mind to hold onto the handbars, stay with the bike, and not put the arm out to stop it. It seems very counter intuitive to me, as the next thing to block the fall would be your head! However, it does seem that many injuries from crashes involve broken hands, wrists, and collarbones, and that the theory, as I understood it, of holding on and tucking in to the bike, could potentially be helpful. I would be interested to know what the more experienced racers and crashers among us have to say about how to crash... as I know it is coming, sooner or later....
Oct 28, 2013 at 08:18 PM
Hold on.
Oct 28, 2013 at 08:28 PM
I've never really thought about how to crash. That said, I've been in two high-speed crashes, both in road races, and I think I got away with relatively minor injuries, considering.
In hindsight, my instinctual reaction to both was the same: relaxed fetus.
In the first, I touched wheels with the sketchy wheel in front of me as I was returning my bottle to its cage as a Cat 5. When I knew I was going down sideways, I just kind of went limp, landed on my left side, and as I slid down the pavement I brought my knees up and my elbows in to protect myself front the peleton behind. I got away with road rash and a probable concussion.
In the second, I was in the middle of the field sprint at Prospect and there was a pile-up directly in front of me. There was no time to react before I slammed into it. My bike stopped on a dime and I kept going. Again, in hindsight, I remember just going limp as I flew through the air, bringing my knees and elbows in. I landed on my shoulder and hip so hard, that most of momentum was completely absorbed, and I didn't slide far. I got away with deep bruises on my shoulder and hip, a pair of parallel gashes sawed into my love handle by my keys, and a probable concussion/whiplash. I think if any of my limbs took the impact I would have gone off in an ambulance.
While I would recommend the Relaxed Fetus as a great crashing position, I'm not sure how possible it is to control your body in those situations.
Oct 28, 2013 at 09:03 PM
^ Don't put your keys in your back pocket!
I usually carry my wallet with ID and insurance card.
I usually carry my wallet with ID and insurance card.
Oct 28, 2013 at 09:57 PM
@dstokes, where do you put your keys?
Holding on to the bike will keep you out of trouble for sure... but
I held on to the bike last year and got this:
I held on to the bike this year and got this:
Sometimes it's just your time to eat shit. Make peace with it. Don't fear the reaper. Enjoy the time spent off the bike and do your thing. In my case, it made getting back on the bike feel super terrific.
Holding on to the bike will keep you out of trouble for sure... but
I held on to the bike last year and got this:
I held on to the bike this year and got this:
Sometimes it's just your time to eat shit. Make peace with it. Don't fear the reaper. Enjoy the time spent off the bike and do your thing. In my case, it made getting back on the bike feel super terrific.
Oct 28, 2013 at 10:05 PM
@Jules-Can we start an X-ray compilation thread?
Oct 28, 2013 at 10:05 PM
keys stay in your backpack at the start line
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM
It's all luck. It's not choreographed stuntmen methods. Held onto my bars: broken collarbone. Didnt hold on: road rash. Could've gone either way.
I put keys and phone/wallet etc in jersey after I heard stories at prospect of bags getting lifted.
I put keys and phone/wallet etc in jersey after I heard stories at prospect of bags getting lifted.
Oct 29, 2013 at 01:11 AM
Outside of a race, I try to keep my keys out of my pocket and in my saddle bag (to keep my pockets clearer) - but maybe there is some value to not having them directly on your person for a training crash.
Oct 29, 2013 at 01:15 AM
rule 1- land on a fat guy
Oct 29, 2013 at 01:16 AM
rule 2- maintain washboard abs so your keys bounce right of that shit
Oct 29, 2013 at 04:19 AM
@McKay--I think there is some technique for best surviving a crash once you are already flipping over the handlebars or sliding on your side, but I would encourage you to focus more on practicing avoiding or riding through the bad situation rather than worrying about what to do once you are crashing. All kinds of crazy shit happens on rides and especially in races, but by being aware of your surroundings, knowing the capabilities and limits of your bike and practicing things like bumping handlebars, shoulders, wheels you can avoid the majority of crashes. There is never an official record of crashes, but you will find that certain people crash all the time and others very rarely do. It isn't just luck.
Oct 29, 2013 at 04:23 AM
avoiding crashes is silly. its the only way to get high speed handling experience
Oct 29, 2013 at 04:23 AM
oh. strava
Oct 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Myles, this isn't Rashaan Bahati's Facebook page.
Oct 29, 2013 at 03:48 PM
Thank you! Yes it's my left hand. I'd love to borrow both. My surgery is hopefully thurs. so then it will be set correctly. I'd love to chat with you too. Katy has my number and email if you e
Want to be in touch that way. I've been trying to check in on the board but it's difficult now to write anything lengthy.
Meredith Martin said:@Daniella this totally sucks. I just got my cast off about 6 weeks ago from my broken wrist, so if you need the brace for your transition out of the cast later, please take mine (if it's your left wrist). I also have a "bone stimulator" machine (begin jokes now) that you are welcome to have -- my insurance company paid for it and it speeds up the healing. It works through the brace -- your doctor might try to sell you one / have your insurance cover it but you really are welcome to mine). I loved working with Park Sports for PT.
Meredith Martin said:@Daniella this totally sucks. I just got my cast off about 6 weeks ago from my broken wrist, so if you need the brace for your transition out of the cast later, please take mine (if it's your left wrist). I also have a "bone stimulator" machine (begin jokes now) that you are welcome to have -- my insurance company paid for it and it speeds up the healing. It works through the brace -- your doctor might try to sell you one / have your insurance cover it but you really are welcome to mine). I loved working with Park Sports for PT.
Oct 30, 2013 at 03:27 AM
Thank you! Yes it's my left hand. I'd love to borrow both. My surgery is hopefully thurs. so then it will be set correctly. I'd love to chat with you too. Katy has my number and email if you e Want to be in touch that way. I've been trying to check in on the board but it's difficult now to write anything lengthy.
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Meredith Martin said:
@Daniella this totally sucks. I just got my cast off about 6 weeks ago from my broken wrist, so if you need the brace for your transition out of the cast later, please take mine (if it's your left wrist). I also have a "bone stimulator" machine (begin jokes now) that you are welcome to have -- my insurance company paid for it and it speeds up the healing. It works through the brace -- your doctor might try to sell you one / have your insurance cover it but you really are welcome to mine). I loved working with Park Sports for PT.
Oct 30, 2013 at 01:22 PM
+1 on bumping skills and drills.
Years ago, I read a pro commenting on downhilling fast. He said something like "it's all nerve until you get into trouble, then it's all skill to get yourself out."
So, you start with what you're comfortable doing, then sometimes deliberately, sometimes by accident, sometimes in the course of things, you push those limits.
Riding in traffic every day gets you more aware. Don't always take the lowest-trafficked route. Riding in a group gets you more aware. Riding in bad weather, on rough roads, on no roads at all. Riding rollers. Doing the step-through dismount. This isn't to suggest throwing caution to the wind, but having an awareness of what you're comfortable with, what physics can, and can't do and think about how you can gain greater skill.
To me, a corollary about what Whitey and Dale were referencing is that most people could probably stand to push the limits of when they start to freak out. When you freak, that's when the likelihood of making a bad split-second decision increases, that's when you tense up. Increasing experience is how you move the freak out point.