There goes the neighborhood

What does this mean for racing in the park? Aside from the new risk of smacking into an immovable object at 35mph. 

this was installed today in the afternoon. if there was a meeting to discuss this we were not invited nor did it make our radar.

JohnOlsson said:

What does this mean for racing in the park? Aside from the new risk of smacking into an immovable object at 35mph. 

It means Charlie will have to show up a bit earlier and move the things before the racing starts.

Yeah, just saw those tonight when I rode a lap on my way home.  Seems super dangerous for cyclists, and at one intersection, because a park trash truck wanted to turn right, he had to stop and back up across the road a couple of times, completely blocking it.  That was further up, just before the band shell, where the second one is placed, and where we used to finish a training sprint at the light.

eloy said:

JohnOlsson said:

What does this mean for racing in the park? Aside from the new risk of smacking into an immovable object at 35mph. 

It means Charlie will have to show up a bit earlier and move the things before the racing starts.

They look like they have solid concrete bases. If thats true, they must weight at least 500lbs ea. Going to have a closer look at them tomorrow. 

JohnOlsson said:

eloy said:

JohnOlsson said:

What does this mean for racing in the park? Aside from the new risk of smacking into an immovable object at 35mph. 

It means Charlie will have to show up a bit earlier and move the things before the racing starts.

They look like they have solid concrete bases. If thats true, they must weight at least 500lbs ea. Going to have a closer look at them tomorrow. 

They have wheels.

The club has a seat on the COMCOM committtee. Somebody should call the park and figure out what's going on.

In the meantime, be cautious! I wonder if the 10mph sign is 'suggested' or a mandatory speed limit. If a cyclist were to hit a pedestrian in those areas, I bet courts would NOT hesitate to use current or even past strava data to prosecute. 

FYI, They are hollow and on wheels

The prospect park alliance did not discuss this, and was not aware they were going to be put up. It looks like it was the DOT on their own that decided to install these.

Charlie I. is fully aware, he will simply move them before races. They are hollow and on wheels. CP has similar ones.

Please stop freaking out. Yes, these suck, and don’t really help any users of the park — including park rangers/workers who have to drive trucks.

We’ll figure the right resource and have a conversation with the right Park stakeholder. Don’t expect much change at first, but also don’t expect these forever. 

This reminds me of the time the DOT put orange barrels on the downhill. Good intentions, outcome not so good.

JohnOlsson said:

In the meantime, be cautious! I wonder if the 10mph sign is 'suggested' or a mandatory speed limit. If a cyclist were to hit a pedestrian in those areas, I bet courts would NOT hesitate to use current or even past strava data to prosecute. 

This statement is always true. In any area, anywhere in the USA, or even the world.
Tip for any ride: do not crash into pedestrians, or anything else.

obv, was simply pointing out that 'speed limits' have never really been posted/enforced in the park for cyclists.

JohnOlsson said:

obv, was simply pointing out that 'speed limits' have never really been posted/enforced in the park for cyclists.

This thread has a lot of interesting stuff if you go back far enough. The issue isn't really with the speed it's that the bottom of the hill is a natural spot for pedestrian crossing, and the road is extra wide which makes the crossings longer.

To make matters worse even if you are traveling the posted limit (30?) by the time you round the corner and see the light you really don't have enough time to stop safely.

The safest thing the park could do would be reverse the flow of traffic completely, and permanently. 

Jules said:

JohnOlsson said:

obv, was simply pointing out that 'speed limits' have never really been posted/enforced in the park for cyclists.

This thread has a lot of interesting stuff if you go back far enough. The issue isn't really with the speed it's that the bottom of the hill is a natural spot for pedestrian crossing, and the road is extra wide which makes the crossings longer.

To make matters worse even if you are traveling the posted limit (30?) by the time you round the corner and see the light you really don't have enough time to stop safely.

The safest thing the park could do would be reverse the flow of traffic completely, and permanently. 

Reversing the traffic makes total sense. The car-less environment would make it that much easier to make the change.

Panic over
2pm today

Anyone care to put odds on spring races getting borked on account of Parks pulling permits because of COVID-19?

Jules said:

Anyone care to put odds on spring races getting borked on account of Parks pulling permits because of COVID-19?

as dramatic as the news makes the virus sounds, and as dramatic as it probably really is, the chances of the park pulling permits because of this is zero. COVID-19 does not register in the their radar.

the repaving of the the east side will however stop a race or two.

when is the repaving occurring?

JohnOlsson said:

when is the repaving occurring?

all i know is that it is in the plans for 2020

Based on other times where it happened, i guess Mayish 

Was chatting with a friend at the weekend who I sought of lost contact with ,himself a former Kissena 
he told me he was running in prospect park 
he thought it was amusing that he saw a Kissena rider on the trails , specifically in the protected habitat do not enter area .
if you have to ride these trails , that’s your own judgement , but please don’t do it in Kissena kit

I'd say it's worth emailing to every member.

"don't kick puppies, steal candy from children, or otherwise act poorly while in team kit"

I ran on one of those inside trails way back when I first moved to Brooklyn. I didn't know the rules but the real strange thing was rolling up to a bunch of dudes smoking crack. Those trails weren't even fun to run on so I imagine that dude had a bad time on their bike. 

yea those 'no public access' areas of the park are just begging ppl to do sketchy stuff there.

Needless to say, don't be these guys...