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Prospect Park Relations, Road Sharing, etc

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Prospect Park has given us 20 tickets for a night of 

Free Skating (Skates included)
Feb 25th 6-8pm

First come, first serve, we are giving these away in PAIRS.

Get 'em while they are hot.

https://kissenacycling.wufoo.com/forms/free-skating-for-two-feb-25th-68pm/
Combined with the recent De Blasio push for Zero pedestrian deaths in NYC it seems there should be political will for a smart solution to this problem.

Oh, you mean the big push that started by cracking down on jaywalkers because of multiple pedestrian deaths in the same place in a week? Forgive me if my faith in our new progressive mayor is already being tested. 
Ryan, believe me I'm skeptical of Bill De Obama's, I mean Blasio's, ability to deliver on a lot of his pre-mayoral progressive promised land. Don't know what he was thinking with the jaywalking thing but car free parks has always seemed to me like an idea that needed someone with only medium size balls to get accomplished.
Thanks to everyone who helped today with the "20 is Plenty" photo op and "Stopping for Red" while on camera.

If you have a GoPro or similar (and the time) the more of these we can get the better.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=575064672561898&l=5435629125957944649
(just a reminder - "Sharing" on facebook is more powerful than "liking" in terms of the statistics people watch)
Hi All,

Need a volunteer (or several) to map out and post photos of the bad potholes.  We'll use them to start a facebook campaign to start calling 311.  ("Like" this pothole photo if you've called 311)

Fixing potholes is entirely up to DOT so the Park cannot help us.  Post photos in this thread.

thanks,

J
I'll do this tomorrow afternoon from the relative safety of the new 29er monster truck. 

Someone else will need to take care of the actual facebook part but I'll provide a marked up map and photos.
Thanks Jim! Send me the photos and locations, I'll take care of the rest
FYI the DOT has a pothole report form one their website.  http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/contact/customer-service.shtml.  It does require a precise location though.

I used it once and a pothole was filled within the week.  I believe I said that I nearly fell off my bike in traffic because of a major pothole.  If I recall correctly, a municipality can't be sued for road conditions unless they had prior notice of the poor conditions.  So once you put them on notice, they have an incentive to do something about it.

I'll bet if you nearly swerved into a car and nearly got hit, they would find that story quite compelling and act as quickly as they did when I reported my Boerum Place pothole.
Brendan, I think you are correct on the DOT front. I had coffee with a friend on Saturday morning who works for Parks. I told her my afternoon plan of scoping the potholes in the park and she told me if you report it they have a week to get it fixed or they are liable.

Jules, I have the survey info and will send it along tomorrow. It looks like the DOT form only allows one pothole to be uploaded at a time. I have something like 18 in my survey so perhaps we could divide and conquer.


Jim, send me what you've got, we can smash though them together.
Nice work!
Kudos to you Jules and Jim for all the work you have made in order to make racing in the park a lot safer.
Hey guys, heads up (literally) Paul Carbonara got clobbered by a tree branch in Prospect Park today; sounds like the Parks Department chainsawed a branch down ONTO HIS NOGGIN, Wiley Coyote style.

He's fine (or so he says) but keep your eyes peeled; another new menace to add to the extensive list...

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Racing Update:

Charlie & I attended the first of 2014's "Permit Holder's" meetings with Prospect Park.

In general the meeting was very good; the park actually hosts quite a large number of races, and they are committed to helping us keep ours and possibly expand the calendar.

There are some changes in the works though.  There is a construction window during which the run-in to the traditional finish line (eastern drive before Lincoln) may be constricted to 1/2 the roadway (possibly less depending on where they want to put pedestrians).

Obviously this would be impossible to manage with current field sizes and the traditional finish line.

The Park was very accommodating with respect to suggestions for alternate start/finish locations.

The best alternative right now seems to be the opening on the left just prior to the KOM - yeah, you read that right, an UPHILL FINISH IN PROSPECT PARK.  Annie git yer gun!

Some other alternatives were proposed, I'll list them below with their "showstopper aspects" so folks can understand what we're up against.  If anyone has alternate suggestions, feel free to post suggestions or contact me or Charlie I directly.

Here is a map for your reference:

http://www.prospectpark.org/visit/interactive-map

GAP: Concern over riders spilling into farmers market & other events
Prior to 3rd street entrance: too much pedestrian traffic with blind entries to marshal safely
Bartel-Pritchard entrance: the Park cannot issue permits for multiple events with overlapping times (many other events stage there while we are finishing)

The Park also suggested letting us cut through Center drive to avoid any pinch-point but Charlie wisely pointed out that this would entail two crossings of the pedestrian path per lap, for every rider (dropped and off the front) as well as pace vehicles.

We'll be making a written recommendation for the KOM-ish finish line very shortly, so if you have a brilliant solution don't wait too long.



ugh. the more brilliant solution is to ditch their stupid construction ideas. Will this be a permanent location? 

for me, as a racer, it's better. For racing, I think it is worse. 
I get the sense nothing is permanent, unless it's preferred.  Our "traditional" location is great because nobody else seems to use it so it effectively lets them double book some even time in the park by having other events stage (but not begin) elsewhere.

Frankly I think Bartel-Pritchard would be great, especially if they reversed the direction of traffic :)
I believe finishes were once held by the temple. Could that work ?
The risk I foresee is that although the finish is nice and wide the immediate lead up to it is downhill and high speed and through the narrowest part of the course.
But maybe the finish will string everyone out ??

However the uphill finish might be an interesting change. What are the reservations with that proposal ?
Temple finish sounds dangerous for the reasons Ian lists, but OG racers might have better insight on what it was really like.

Uphill finish seems like a good change of pace.

How long do they anticipate the construction to go on at the traditional finish?
Ok folks, time to grab your facebooks and SHARE the ever loving crap out of this post.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.579352392133126.1073741827.283393421729026&type=1

Then grab your cellphones and report ONE of these potholes via 311 or online.

http://a841-dotvweb01.nyc.gov/Potholeform/ViewController/CreateComplaint.aspx
Jules,
What is the construction time frame?

Ian,
When I first started racing in Prospect, the Temple was the finish.  It was a crazy sprint as you were fighting for position on the downhill and through the funnel.  I'm sure we bombed through the jogger's lane then, and that was before the posts on the outside of the turn.

We also for a while held it in between the temple and the current finish.  I htink by the Parkside entrance.  Was better than the temple for safety.
@Wump the Park still doesn't know the construction time window.  It's the big unknown.  The contractor has a very wide permitted opportunity to do a LOT of work in/on the Park that extends way beyond this little piece.

Temple finish seems pretty fraught with everyone rested at the bottom of a big descent and a pinch point.  Further down is almost exactly where the narrowing will begin.

Don't forget, the start/finish areas also need to allow for car/truck ambulance access.
Uphill finish would be rad (hopefully).  Maybe I would actually contest a field sprint for once.
Uphill finish would be rad (hopefully).  Maybe I would actually contest a field sprint for once.
Said every rider in the cat 4 field. Prepare for clusterfuck 2014.
With an uphill finish Charlie would need to create a polka dotted green jersey unless he finds another spot to hold a separate sprint competition.
mperlberg said:
Uphill finish would be rad (hopefully).  Maybe I would actually contest a field sprint for once.
Said every rider in the cat 4 field. Prepare for clusterfuck 2014.
Meh, most are too fat.  Plus, the finishes are always a clusterfuck as they are now.

Although, there will be some spectacularly slow uphill finishing crashes, no doubt.

Although, there will be some spectacularly slow uphill finishing crashes, no doubt.
This.  Fingers crossed they are more comical than injurious.
I kind of like the idea of an uphill finish. Seems like it might inspire some of the current sprint crew to change it up during the rest of the race. But it might just be that I like the sound of something - anything - new in park races.
Now we know why they paid so much money to build the rinks... http://gothamist.com/2014/03/19/prospect_park_might_let_you_booze_a.php
Hey All,

I attended the most recent "ComCom" meeting, representing Kissena.  Not too much to report; the details on the parking for the rink (as a reminder) are that the available spaces are going down by 50% (from 250 to about 125) and that the lot will only be open for skating months (the hope being it reduces pedestrian/bike/car interactions at the intersection) and the traffic to the lot is limited to just that little road, as opposed to the current setup where the traffic comes in from the entrance by the "pinch point" at the bottom of the hill.

Still no word on when the repairs to the "popup" lake at that pinch point are scheduled for; which to me means it's more & more likely that it happens after the park racing season (lets keep our fingers crossed.)

That is all,

Jules
Not sure this is the right place to post this, but my friend Pat started this public service website: 

http://deadpedalny.com/

it's a great way to report abandoned bikes and get them removed. More places to park biked = good!