Or maybe *I* should start using that as *my* name on Bikereg.

anyone pulling together a race marshall/registration sign-up google doc thingy?  some of us fatsos need an excuse to get out of bed at 5:30 a.m.........

I have gone by "yack fu" "gym kata" and "boom boom" in seasons past. The wrestling monikers are the best part of pre reg.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but the condition of the asphalt at certain sections of the loop is downright dangerous. I hope that the park dpt will fill those craters by March 16 but I doubt it.

It is every year Thierry; trust they'll fill holes and leave mounds....

Yesss!!!!!!!!!
On Feb 3, 2014 4:44 PM, "John Malcolmson" <

Yes gymkata. Nazis bad. Illlinois nazis worse

Excellent topic of discussion...I am not opposed to some type of sub team by way of lottery that is rejiggered every few weeks or weekly.  Different kits are out of the question...and swapping kits would make me leave the sport altogether....I don't want my boys in your neighborhood.  If everybody committed to purchasing an orange Rudy Project helmet, we could have 2 "sub" teams in these races.  Those wearing an orange helmet and those wearing any other color.  Thoughts, ideas and condemnations are all welcome.

Let me get this straight, @yacks, two groups of kissenas with one group working as a "team" and another just there riding in circles, so to speak? I dont think that will alleviate the complaints that we represent 1/4 of the field. But that will clarify the role for each Kissena and make communication during the race easier. It also will help someone new or lacking fitness not to feel intimidate when we start discussing tactics here.

Thanks Jules. I think this issue has to be addressed and I'm really glad to see that it is.

I am amenable to anything.  This sounds like a viable resolution.  The reputation of the club is at stake here.  

I emphatically disagree with the idea of attempting to prohibit anyone on our club from entering any open race of their choosing. More later when I have a real keyboard.

I prefer out of town races so I am deliberately playing devils advocate here.

Racing the L&C cup provides low cost racing to club riders, is very easy to get to for us brooklynites and enables those riders with family (or other obligations) to be home, showered and ready for duty nice and early.

If the club is going to start making riders race at Bethel instead of the local park will there be financial assistance to cover car rental and increased entry fees ? (no need to answer it was rhetorical).

How about ... you keep the limit on those racing as the Kissena team. You pick the team based on those who want to practice racing as a team and are committed to a team cause and the strict direction of the road captain.

Any other Kissena who is using these races purely for training purposes or who wants to maybe do their own thing can simply RACE IN PLAIN KIT.

These riders could get the discounted entry fee by showing their racing licence at sign in. They would still volunteer to help out. The sponsors would not be disadvantaged because there is still a group in orange and blue strutting their stuff.

They have to truely race as independents, but rest assured if it were me I would mercilessly chase the official Kissena MFs down.

(I think there may be some regulation about having to race in team kit if registered on a team, but we could simply ignore that. It's not as though the race referees will do anything about it, since they don't do anything about any of the important infractions reported to them each week)

racing in similar kit only applies to Cat 1's and 2's

I like Ian's "men in black" idea....it's so clandestine PRO !

I would be fine with both the ideas posed so far - dividing into two teams for each race (teams would change for each L&C cup race) or the "men in black" idea.

I don't think any of the ideas posed thus far prohibit anyone from racing. Even with my idea of an A and B roster, anyone else could still show up in plain kit. I don't know about JP's idea, but I would imagine the same could apply.

I am in favor of anything that doesn't involve sub teams.  

Like Jim and Marc, I'm opposed to any sort of prohibition on racing wherever you want, whenever you want.

Wow, five interesting comments in the time it took to write mine.  One simple alternative might be that by highlighting the issue we help solve the problem without any new "rules."

Is there even a Spring Series this year?  I don't see it on bikereg.com and I think AVD said he's not doing that anymore after 2013.  

whoa, yeah, posts accrued while I was typing mine...woops

While L&C's first race and Grant's Tomb present difficulties, and Harriman is on the horizon, the various springs series seem easier.

I am a verse to the creation of sub teams. I just think it reeks of crca
stupidity.

Is having 20 or 25 category4: racers sporting? I would have to consult
prior race results but to the best of my recollection its not like Kissina
members have one everything incredibly decisively and are occupying the top
five spots in the rankings for every single category.

There is also the thought in my head that this is an amateur category 4
Park Race anyone who is truly concerned is taking it way too freakin
seriously and should probably chill the F out.

But perhaps more importantly is the perception of how we are viewed as an
organization outside of our ranks.

That may very well be that as a team capable of fielding 20 or 25 category
for racers isn't being entirely sporting or fair. ( and to that I say chill
the F out you are taking this way too seriously)

I don't think we can mandate or steer members race or another . People
will always do what is easiest to them and for probably 85 percent of our
membership that would be the park races.

It does also seem to me that there are in fact two different groups of
category for racers on the club. There is a group of riders who are
content to go out and have fun in a category 4 race, with no real emphasis
on advancing through the USA C category system to category 3 or 2 or 1.

Likewise there seems to be a group of category 4 racers that wish to
progress rapidly through the ranks to reach category: 3 or 2.

Thus it does appear that there are in fact sup teams already existing, Be
it a group of people willing to put time and effort into helping
christopher yak win a spotted jersey, or a group of people that actually
wish to win the race to earn upgrade points.

The big difference is outside perception is that these two groups of people
are in fact one big group of people because they are all dressed the same.

To take this one step further perhaps even those wishing to progress
through the USA Cycling ranks rapidly should be going both too a park race
and bethel in the same day.

the larger issue may then become how do we diffrentiate these groups of
people? Ugly ass old kit versus New kits? Shirts vs skins? Mustaches and
mullets versus clean shaven? Different colors of helmet?

Cool will also said that if this plan actually works and a group of
kissenas rapidly progress through the category system then we will have a
group of 25 category: 321 racers in the 321 field where precisely no one
will give a fuck thus proving people are taking category for racing way to
effin seriously and need to probably chill the F out.

Please excuse any grammatical or typographical errors due to the miracle of
voice to text. Also please excuse any further post this week, clearly I've
used my quota of rational thought for the month up.
On Feb 4, 2014 9:15 AM, "Jules"

While I think the idea of encouraging participation in Bethel and Branchbook is a good one in theory, the only Branchbrook and Bethel races that conflict with the L&C cup are on the March 16th.