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Where is the new finish?
Ill be there. Feeling real blocked up however.
I can digitally disimpact you. Ask the team RNs what that means if you think it is a questionable procedure. 
Ryan J said:
123s - any thoughts on this one? Seems to me that the new finish merits discussion about what we will do if...
Agreed.  It should change the intermediate sprint laps as well as the positioning for the finish.  I watched the Jules video of the setup as per Yacks suggestion.  

Ragot, looks like you did ok at it.  Any thoughts on how to break it down?
Whoa.  That's an interesting new place for the start/finish.  I don't know what to think about it.  Maybe it's good for me?  Maybe not.  This is going to be interesting.  I'm going to go for the sprint lap at least once to get a feel for it.
One other thing to note, the construction area was changed yesterday. The road now bows / curves to the right at the construction site and the pavement is uneven with half the road asphalt and half the road concrete. There is also asphalt built up around the manhole cover in the concrete section. Here are some pictures I took this morning:

https://flic.kr/p/nLpYFN

https://flic.kr/p/nLpW4x

https://flic.kr/p/o3MFPJ

https://flic.kr/p/o1S4f7

https://flic.kr/p/nLqS6t

Charlie has seen this and will be opening up the baracades on the left as in the past to have joggers go on that side.


That's a good idea Brendan.  Go for the first one so you'll have plenty of time to recover.  The strongest guy is going to win.  If you can get some separation over the top of the climb..you can win.  The finish will be right in front of you.  The idea that guys are going to keep their powder dry up the climb for the final sprint is a miscalculation.  He who waits on the climb is lost... I bet you are going to win that first sprint...see if you can find one teammate who will drive you from the old start finish to the base of the climb...then release the hounds!
Get to the front BEFORE the climb...otherwise you'll be...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzzOs0Da43Y


Houston, we have a problem. 

Unlike prior weeks when we had a dozen Kissena’s signed up to race we only have 4 guys for all three lead outs unless someone can marshall in place of Craig Z or we get some day or registrations. 

Here is how we can try to divide roles while keeping some matches available for the finishing lead out. 

First KOM
Leadout: Vladi, Brendan, Mark I
Sweep: Mark T, Jeff O

Second KOM
Loudout: Jeff O, Mark I
Sweep: Mark T, Vladi

Finish
Leadout: Patrick, Vladi, Jeff O
Sweep: Mark I, Mark T

NOTE: It has been a month since the last L&C cup so if you feel that your fitness does not match my proposed role for you PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP. 

Because everyone’s participation will be crucial, please confirm. 

Finally, if someone is on the fence about racing (Lt. Dan? Tim), I encourage you to join us in our quest for glory.

We could use a volunteer to marshall so Craig Z could join us.
Craig,

Thanks for taking those pictures. I'll have it in my head to stay to the left. Nasty looking patch job there.
The Finishing sprint lead out will be somewhat similar to the KOM lead out. We will organize at the same point (“classic” finish line) but start pushing the pace later (at the hill) and try to keep Brendan protected until after the crest of the hill. 

Cat 4 crew: please review your role for tomorrow. 

Rewatch the video of how the Cat 4 crew expertly hit the KOM last year from 31:35 and 56:00. 
http://youtu.be/v6YIKbD5X7M

For the KOM lead outs:
  1. Start the lead out after the the “classic” finish line. Line it out single file. Let’s make competitors head into the wind at 27 miles an hour if they want to move up.
  2. Have two to three guys drilling it on the right side of the road as the climb starts. Staying to the right will mean we only have to keep our eyes on one side of the road for attacks. As an added benefit, when the lead out men pull off to the left it will force competitors to have to go around them.
  3. There are two sweepers. The second sweeper (behind the first sweeper) would allow a gap to open when we hit the climb forcing competitors to have to go around and close the gap (again - without a draft)
  4. The sweeper directly behind me should stay seated when I stand to sprint (forcing Shoy to go close the gap in the wind)


For the final lead out: 
  1. Get to the front and line it up after the the “classic” finish line. Don’t drill it until we get to the hill unless we have several more bodies register in the morning.
  2. Have two to three guys drilling it on the right side of the road as the climb starts. 
  3. We want to try to lead out Brendan for a couple hundred feet after the KOM line or at least to the KOM line. 
  4. The second sweeper (behind the first sweeper) would allow a gap to open when the climb gets steeper forcing competitors to have to go around and close the gap (again - without a draft)
  5. The sweeper directly behind Brendan should stay seated and let the gap open up over the crest of the hill. 

Finally, listen to some Guns n’ Roses to get you pumped for tomorrow.

One more thing. I will surf the front and look to tag onto breaks. Why? If Shoy chases, he will burn matches. If he lets it go, then we can score some KOM points while keeping our squads legs fresh for the finishing lead out.

Stay attentive. If I do get into a break the team should act to disrupt the chase: let gaps open, pull through slowly, etc. The only guy you don't want to allow to bridge is Shoy.

Chances are that if a break does form it will not make it to the end. Brendan could certainly win from a break, so he may want to do the same as I, but lets be careful not to burn ourselves up in breaks that go nowhere.
Got it Pat... Let's get em!!!
I'll be there playing more of a supportive role
Where's the nearest bathroom to the new start line?  
Connecticut Muffin


... maybe, if they're open, the bathrooms just north of the start by the playground near the bandshell.
There is one near the bandshell that is closer. Also, there is one in the "Villa" but I have no idea where that is exactly.
The Villa and the Picnic House both have bathrooms and are just about at 5th Street however I've never seen either open at that time of the morning. Last week there were two port-a-johns just inside the park at 3rd Street.
There's always a porta at the Center Drive entrance as you go down the hill.  Then exit to the street, turn right and back along the outside of the park. 
There are several at the bottom of the hill, also, on the right, and you can exit the park there and come back on the street.  
Bring your own TP (This thread is interesting...Cat IV race strategy is like something out of Alexander the Great; Cat 123 discussion = where do we poop?)
cat I23 have their priorities straight...
Ha.

He said muffin
On Jun 21, 2014 11:01 PM, "twoyacks" <
I avoided the inevitable cat 4 uphill last lap crash and rode in circles for about an hour.  It was fun.  Other people did things like race.  I ate a spinach croissant.  The end. X
Our race was not terribly hard overall - but it was spikey and when it was hard it was very hard.

I never felt like I had any pop today. I felt comfortable enough sitting in but I was unable to follow moves as aggressively as usual. In fact Eric and JP tried to set me up a few times in smart places and I knew exactly what they wanted me to do, I just couldn't. 

Overall I thought we did what we could. I agreed w/ what JP said after, which was that Joe and Dave both rolled very well. I also thought there was some great fight out of Andy who blew himself up a couple times but then fought to regain comfort in the bunch. 

I hope the finish gets faster. The last trip up the hill was a fucking mess.
I don't have much to say...I was there and I finished...in between I cracked a carbon rim, gave vol's a nice push on the hill (or was it handsome Joe) and shortly after the avenue of certain death I jumped in front of what looked like a Kissena lead out train and pulled it from the old start finish to the base of the climb...where I promptly spit the bit. Interesting that you can hear the finish from across the park if u got dropped and are soft pedaling up the hill...love the new start finish line.
Race report

While not as successful as Alexander the Great, the Cat 4 team did well with limited resources, plus Charlie saved the day for the 123s and the rest of us with a place to poop. 

Brendan got 5th and Vladi 9th in the field sprint. We maintained my lead in the KOM jersey competition: I won the first KOM sprint and Shoy won the second maintaining the same lead I had starting the day. 

The impressive thing is that this all happened with literally only a handful or riders. Vladi, Aaron. Mark I, and Jeff O lined up with Brendan and I. 

The race started quickly enough with the SouthShore guys attacking and counterattacking repeatedly in the first few laps. When the first Green Jersey sprint came around Brendan surfed wheels and got second in the sprint behind the SouthShore sprinter. Impressive.

A few laps later the KOM bell was rung (followed on the same lap by the green jersey bell - damn Charlie can be a sadist). Brendan and Mark lined up for the lead out and Aaron swept my wheel. Shoy rode side by side with Brendan on the lead up to and then the start of the hill. We were not going particularly fast, but Shoy was trying to get some cover next to Brendan who would have none of it. Rigby kept sticking his elbow out forcing Shoy over until the Mineola rider couldn’t take it anymore and attacked the KOM. I jumped on his wheel and came around him at the line yelling “yeah!” in a moment my primate ancestors would have been proud of. Yeah, it felt good to best the guy who has been consistently beating me the last few races. Forcing him to ride in the wind before the sprint definitely gave me an advantage.

The second KOM sprint took place with two laps to go. Vladi and Aaron lined it up and drilled it from before the hill. They did a beautiful job of stringing out the field behind us. Unfortunately, Shoy was directly on my wheel. I probably should have jumped first. Instead Shoy jumped and I chased, but this time was unable to come around. It did not help that I had a problem with my shifter, but in all likelihood the result would have been the same. Is there a safe technique for getting someone off your wheel in this kind of situation?

On the last lap the pace dropped after the “classic” finish line. Brendan and Vladi were right near the front so I decided to drill it on the lead up to the hill so that things would be more strung out for them when we hit the hill. At this point I blew up like a pinata at a children’s party.

A big thank you to the guys for their awesome lead out efforts. I’ll let Brendan and Vladi tell their own stories about their experience of field sprint at the “new” finish.
Great job Patrick and TEAM. Today I wanted to say WTF to some Lupus punk, who had the balls to say that "Well, Kissena isn't a real team," right to my face while we were warming up on trainers for Waukesha. Unbelievably rude...stupid punk.
Rovner. He's a little slow... mentally, on the bike he's actually pretty fast but kind of a clutz. I doubt that it was Scott or Stephan.

Don't listen to him Marc.
I think the Cat 4 squad should be proud of how the teamwork is coming together. We are a work in progress, but consider two other teams from today’s race that misfired:

First CIS lined up 3-4 guys in front of the green jersey for the fist green jersey sprint. The looked awesome and drilled it… from the top of the hill. That’s right folks, 3-4 guys to lead out from the bandshell to the NEW finish line. Guess how many CIS dudes were anywhere near the green jersey sprint line. None. 

Second, leading up to the first KOM, Shoy’s Mineola teammate attacked from the ice skating rink. Mark and Brendan let him go and burn himself out. The field brought him back easily enough and he was not able to help lead out Shoy when it really mattered. 

This is a team sport and we are capable of impressive feats when we work together. I’ll sign off before I sound too much more like a Hallmark card. 
Scott's made that comment. Rovner whatever he is still sulking over how I beat him at harlem last year.

'*guy with head down is Rovner*
He is usually a nice guy though.
Today I overheard Evan Murphy saying to Dan Chananov "Kissena got it right - they just kept sending guys. Kept it fast, kept it safe."

Most of the teams and riders who are actually elite like and respect us.