@ Jules - no idea. The world of weight loss science is totally foreign to me.

@ tito it probably doesn't matter but if you're in it to win you need to get fat first

Do you really think you have much to lose? I've been trying to decide if that final 5 pounds is real or imaginary for me. I did get down to 152 for a week or so earlier this season - but I've been healthy and pretty strong so far; I think I may have to learn to live with my current race weight which is 5 pounds heavier than what I'd like.

Fascinating.

http://www.drmirkin.com/public/ezine052712.html

Yeah, I'm more curious to just see what happens if I change my diet and keep training. I guess real muscle mass won't happen just on the bike alone - I'd need to mix it up a bit, which might involve more discipline than I'm prepared for (I have a real hard time with exercise-for-fitness-sake - anything that isn't fun).

Posted By: Jules RoazenFascinating.

http://www.drmirkin.com/public/ezine052712.html

this is interesting, but i can't help but think that it is largely irrelevant for some of us. when i have the time, i am on my bike (either training or commuting) up to 20 hours a week. that makes me (and many of us) a pretty different sample set than the mice or 60 year olds in that study. during these stretches, i am eating almost constantly to stay alive.

snacking is bad for people you say? well, for me, snacking is how i stay upright/don't feint between meals.

eating during sleeping hours is bad for people? am i the only one that wakes up in the middle of the night from being hungry? the lessons from this study are super important for our inactive parents/tubby pet mice, but unless we are trying to seriously DROP weight, i don't believe they apply to us much.

Ummm William you're posting on the weight loss thread...so yes it does apply to some of us.

I read this over the weekend
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/06/why-the-campaign-to-stop-america-s-obesity-crisis-keeps-failing.html

The takeaway is it isn't so much how many calories you eat but if you are eating calories from "bad" sources which will dictate whether you lose or gain weight.

@ Reiners:

my point is that this is another one of those nutrition studies done on "average" people, rather than on athletes. that said, if James Brown and the rat from "Ratatouille" stayed slim and fine by never eating after sundown . . . i guess we can all learn a lesson.

165 and still dropping! woot! i was shooting for 160 but i actually think 155 might be attainable....

Quick update. Saturday I was down to 151lbs. getting close to my goal of 147lbs.

I have a new breakfast that I is good in the morning without being too much work the night before I put the following in a jar or plastic container and throw it in the fridge:

1/4 cup oats
1/3 cup rice/soy or regular skim milk
1tsp honey
cinnamon
handful of raisins

let it all sit in the fridge overnight. The oats hydrate, the raisins plump and you've got a breakfast that is easy and pre-measured for quick consumption between coming home from training and getting in the shower to go to work.

Very svelte, Lt. Dan.  Congrats.

Awesome good news David!

Why not add to the fun. What we all already know, not all calories are equal, and you have to continue to eat less to maintain a lower weight because it takes less energy to live on at a lower weight.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304458604577490943279845790.html

Paleo diet?  Bah!  Try the Australopithecus Sediba diet!   

It would be

hahah yea. I'm down to 142pounds in the morning. 2 more: it's do-able but do I really care...no.
I saw that article earlier too, interesting but not appetizing at all! I like my wine and cheese way too much.

This thread is awesome and I'm truly inspired by what you guys have accomplished - Josh C  and Mike M especially. Figured I'd chime in - I'm 217 in the morning, down from 244 in January of 2011. I did my first group ride March of 2011. I'm not focused on weight loss now, but breaking through 200 will be a big winter goal. This off-season, I won't blatantly ignore the Cyclists Training Bible's recommendation to cross-train and avoid serious cycling for a good portion of the winter. I found I lost weight much faster running than cycling. When I was a wrestler, I used to use a rubber suit and do all kinds of crazy runs in isolated hot rooms to make 215 from 223. The good old days!

I am sure everybody has read this but this guy is awesome. Actually this is one of those "Bikes are AWESOME" moments.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/a-bicycle-and-a-few-friends-lead-a-big-man-into-an-even-bigger-world_226368

@Christian: 15 is a very realistic goal for the winter.  I'm sure if you bring the same focus to it that you have sprinting it'll happen.  If you can keep from doing a single pushup or breaking anyone with your bare hands you stand a chance at developing a properly atrophied upper body, after which we will nickname you 

C-Raf, you've got a lot of muscle to burn through to make that 17. It ain't gonna be fun!

More fuel for the debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/nutrition/q-and-a-are-high-protein-low-carb-diets-effective.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

 

More fuel for the debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/nutrition/q-and-a-are-high-protein-low-carb-diets-effective.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

This seems to confirm the sagacity of my father's weight-loss diet script: "Don't eat so damn much."

That Times article is a bit thin on this subject, I repeat my recommendation for reading Lyle MacDonald on weight-loss. Your metabolic rate will increase even as you read his articles:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-fundamentals-of-fat-loss-diets-part-1.html

"But the simple fact is this, the ONLY way to force the body to call on stored energy (e.g. body fat) is to create an imbalance between energy intake (from food) and energy expenditure (this side of the equation comprises a number of factors discussed in detail in Metabolic Rate Overview).   That’s why this is the primary criterion in how I set up fat loss diets.  I don’t give a damn what else you do, if you haven’t created an imbalance between intake and expenditure (and you’ll see that there are different ways of achieving this goal), nothing else will matter."

167.5 this morning!

"So my goal is to go from 187 to 160 and maintain a weight between 160-165 lbs."

Almost there!

Almost! I still am shooting for that 160 number and will add or drop if I feel I should. I'm pretty happy though at this weight. 

159 this morning.....d'oh! I'd totally hit 155 if I could still ride. I'm sure this will trend the other way with the mandatory couch potato regimen ordered by the docs. So be it. Is it gelato o'clock yet?

David, I can't believe what I read, and we were talking about eating some not so healthy food that night too. I hope you rest up and can get back on the bike soon, it was great to meet you that evening, and if you need anything don't hesitate. 

Mike - remember when I suddenly and inexplicably got out of breath, during the slow spin, and told you to meet me at the top of the hill? It had started then. And then we did one more lap. Looking back on it, I am lucky I didn't pass out right then and there. Nuts. Sadly, racing is out of the question for me now - doctors orders.