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The Annual Super Bowl Century

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What a ride.  New faces, new places.  Really happy to be along.

Highlights for me included Aaron's newfound strength; Erika's facial smear (greasy finger to he face...we've all done it); Yang's new bike; JP's mysterious ability to make the temperature drop 15 degrees by telling me to put my thin gloves on.  Also Ryan chasing Chab, provoking a comment that "either he doesn't know himself or he doesn't know Chab" to which JP quickly responded "he knows both."  A teammate through and through.

Sorry about the post-Piermont confusion.  I wish I'd been there when the cop pulled you over.  Makes me wish that I'd had my GoPro!  Nothing like video evidence if you weren't actually doing what someone says you did.

This was the most miles I've ever done...but still short of a century!  5 miles short.

One of my goals for today was to make Battenkill shorter by doing a longer ride.  Also, to figure out how to eat for Battenkill.  Here's what worked for me today (I felt weak and half dead, but for reasons of fitness rather than nutrition):

-breakfast of a pasta bean kale cheese dish, clif bar, coffee

first 3 hours: 
- 1x bottle of perpetuem mixed for long-distance (they do it by weight, for me it was 1.5 cups of the stuff) in a water bottle, sipped every 15 minutes or so
- 1x gel
- 1.5x clif bar (I discovered the half-eaten remains of a clif bar in my jersey when I got home)

second 3 hours:
-lunch: egg & cheese on a roll; water bottle of water
-1x bottle perpetuem mixed for long-distance (see above)
-1x water bottle

recovery: Beer and Pizza.

Here is the profile:



Fun, tough ride with some really tough guys. The Haverstraw plunge was the highlight of my day — as I remarked on the ride, it was like stumbling upon a Mark Twain short story in progress.

Sometimes it's nice having your ass handed to you on a ride, and today I discovered that kind of "nice" only works for me for about 100 miles. I owe Brendan, Aaron, and Yang some serious baked goods for pulling me home.

After a month on the trainer, today was as much about getting my confidence back as it was getting ready for CA training camp and Battenkill. Confidence is back, but I've got to work on my nutrition. I bonked right before Bear and felt like a turd on most of the climbs (although according to Strava, I didn't do too horribly). Just completely out of gas. Here's the breakdown (since we seem to be doing this)..

Breakfast: granola, banana, honey, coffee

First 3 hours: 1 Larabar, 1 bottle Gatorade, 1 bottle water

Bear bonk break (3.5 hours in): 1 Clifbar (thanks Keith!)

Lunch: egg spinach wrap, coffee, 1 bottle water

Second 3.5 hours: 1 bottle water, 1 cookie (oats & rice flour, chia seeds, almond butter, coconut oil, honey)

Recovery: burrito, cottage cheese, banana, water, coffee

In retrospect, I should have tripled my bars and tossed a banana in my pocket at lunch (so close to making that impulse purchase at the register; regret kicked in by the time we hit 9w). Also, gotta drink that water.

Happy birthday, Keith! I owe you baked goods too.
Just looking at the power profile from this ride. Uh, yes, it's hard.

122 miles. 4100 Kj. Normalized power for just under 7 hours, 193 watts. This included about an hour at tempo. 40 minutes at threshhold. 21 min at Vo2. 16 min anaerobic.

Bike Score 372. My highest ever by far. 

All of us who did this yesterday need to get on our bikes today for 30-60 minutes of super, super, super easy spinning. I mean, so easy it barely feels like pedaling.



Fun, tough ride with some really tough guys....

In retrospect, I should have tripled my bars and tossed a banana in my pocket at lunch (so close to making that impulse purchase at the register; regret kicked in by the time we hit 9w). Also, gotta drink that water.


I love this joke.  The Tompkins Cove Deli, where we stopped, is about five feet from 9W, the distance from the door to the road is no more than 20 feet.  Yeah, that's how the ride was.  
mugwump said:
 love this joke.
Goddamn wormhole! My "9W" moment of regret was at least 30 miles later.


Hopefully I have not missed anyone. I didn’t have Aaron’s email so I’m sending him this through the board. If someone could forward this to him as a back up that would be swell. The rest of the guys on the ride all know the drill as does Mr. Partland and Mr. Stokes and Ryan but those two are on this email for the other points.

I’ll start by saying that Sunday’s ride was one the best Stupid Bowls OF ALL TIME (hear that in the voice of Warner Wolf) Good group, good route, no flats, very little separation.
Since the first group version way back in 200Icant’tremember (I think it was 2006) I always wanted to get a chick (for we in Texas a term of endearment, a shortened version of cool chick) to do the whole route. Erika takes the honors with a pretty fucking gutsy effort endlessly big-ringing what seemed like every climb and fighting through the hunger knock multiple times.

Having rarely trained with either Aaron or Yang and only rarely with Brendan I was very impressed with their efforts. I hope you enjoyed the day and maybe discovered a bit about yourself and what you CAN do on the bike if you put your mind to it.

For the record here is a quick list of the folks riding next to you.

Evan Murphy, 25? Last year he finished 59th at Philly. Yeah THAT race. Guys NEXT to him at the finish: Phil Gaimon, Ben Day, Jaimie Driscoll.
Gavi Epstien, 2?  Former Garmin-Sharp dev Team. Pretty much raced every important NRC race, Crit since he was 21.
Anthony Hall  26?  Did Gila, Joe Martin last year. Has finished Top Ten in endless Pro/Am races over the lat 3 years.
Dan Chabanov 26, Rode Tour de Beauce this year, Parx Classic, has no job trains the absolute hardest of any NYC rider out their. 26th at CX Nats this year.

These guys are some of the best all around riders in the area. And they were all dyin’ right alongside all of y’all. Juts keep that in mind as perspective and use that as a guide when thinking about how ones closes the gap to guys like these. Disregarding any possible difference in natural ability, the space between has much to do with the mental aspect of cycling and effective, intelligent training. Not many of us have 25-30 hrs of time to devote to training (like Dan does). So tailoring your time to make the most of it is key. Rides like Sunday are basically NOT the kind of thing to be doing as far as the physical aspect but I feel that including thing that challenge your limits opens the doors to what you true potential might be. So when you are doing an interval at VO2 max PLUS on the trainer or that gap opens out at Floyd and you either close it into a 30mph headwind or your race is over, you make it happen and realize you can still get through, recover and do it again.

Learn your limits. Then as soon as you establish them begin challenging them again and again.

I like this trend of listing the food and bev. Some of you know my diet and training theory some do not. Everyone is unique and needs to find what works usually through trial and error. Having lots of input helps.

For the record here was my food along with my schedule.

Worked Friday 1:30PM until 2AM
Worked again from Sat 2:30PM until 1:30AM ( I ate a snack at around 2AM)
Slept from 2:30AM until 6:10AM

Breakfast: 3 eggs fried w/ butter half avacado, coffee, 16 oz water 1 oz cheese.

Ride:  25-30 oz water to base of Bear Mtn. One Cherry almond Cliff Bar ( thanks Yang) at Perkins Drive and yes I was on the edge.

Cove Deli:  Sandwich, coffee, refilled water bottles, a few potato chips

That’s it.

Once home (on the edge again) a couple tortillas w/ cheese a coffee, half a cliff bar changed clothes and went to work. Had a grass fed burger and fries at 8pm and  a Mexican Coke. Had an iced latter at work. Came hone at 11:30pm

Not bragging. I was wrecked. And yes I ride on much less food than others but also much DIFFERENT food.
Food for thought.

Now the most important part for the new SuperBowlers

YOU MUSTY GET ON THE BIKE TODAY AND DO A RECOVERY SPIN ON THE TRAINER FOR LIKE 45-60 MINS. ZERO EFFORT! LIKE ZONE 1/2! GOTTA GET THAT STIFFNESS AND PAIN OUTTA THERE. AND STRETCH. REALLY STRETCH. OTHERWISE THIS COULD TAKE YOU OUT FOR A COUPLE DAYS.

Once again thanks to all and kudos for all the hard riding. Proud to have you all as teammates



Keith


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Oh and are you fucking with me with this snow?
Come on!
This is getting ridiculous.
also, that descent from Bear Mtn was BEAUTIFUL.  a valley full of water with ice, snow-capped hills.  tremendous view despite the low temperatures.  wish i'd stopped to take a picture.

awesome ride guys, I passed you by Dominican in Sparkill as I was riding into work.


And the Polar plunge? Been there, done that. Grew up in North Rockland. Last time I did it , the water temp was 27*.

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BUMP

Keith says "tentative Feb 15th, 8am GWB"

Check back soon.
The boring ass football cane came and went so this year's ride will revert back to its roots and be all about me and the fact that I am a year older as of last week in spite of numerous attempts by some teammates to have my birthday moved to August so they are not to suffer 20F/shit weather whilst riding a pointless and often damaging 200km just because I need the positive reinforcement in fear that I am actually getting old and will one day come to the rational realization that all this is pointless or at least patently absurd.
SO  here are the details.
February 15, 2015 8AM GWB Jersey side. We wait TEN minutes for stragglers. The route is similar to the NY Grand Fondo route so check with the rectangle of knowledge if you want an approximation. Based on road conditions and my minute by minute whim the route may change along the way. There are several turn back points from which it is very easy to navigate back to babylon NYC. There are usually some guides who know the way who choose to head home early because they, unlike me, have lives, wives, girlfriends, careers, etc or are just slightly more straight in the head.
Bring enough food, water, money flat kit. two tubes, etc. and check your rig the night before for mechanicals snafus. Eat a decent breakfast. I could go on and on about diet and all that here and I may just post some post ride info from my perspective so as to spark that contentious debate and get abck to being engaged in the club once again but suffice it with this: a bowl of cereal won't cut it. Personally I almost always have three eggs, an avocado, two glasses of water, coffee, cheese, a couple tortillas. I carry two cliff bars. I sometimes even eat one. We stop for a quick lunch in Thompkins cove on the return BUT that is after 70 miles so be prepared.
Sorry to be out of touch with all the goings on. The typical late Fall.Winter busy of the last couple years ahs kept me from being engaged and I've not been training much at all either.I hope to have two weeks in my legs before Sunday. Even then the ride will be a little slower than previous editions. I do have to be at work that evening so the level of epicness will be lower than usual. I assume Bear Mtn is iced. if I get a preview ride in this week I will post info.
That is all.
Oh, and I might just race this year. Time will tell.
Update:

My knee is shit, I haven't been able to train and it's supposed to be crappy on Sunday so I'm pulling the plug on Sunday's ride.
Perhaps this is the year that my birthday gets moved to August.
Maybe March. Sorry.
Peace be upon you,

Keith
Update:

My knee is shit, I haven't been able to train and it's supposed to be crappy on Sunday so I'm pulling the plug on Sunday's ride.
Perhaps this is the year that my birthday gets moved to August.
Maybe March. Sorry.
Peace be upon you,

Keith
This might be the only time I've been happy to read a ride isn't happening.

Supposed to be in single digits at rollout.

More importantly, knee recovery should take priority.  

A healthy Keith is is good for everyone.
Wow.
Don't remember doing this last year.
And Keith is away this year.

Still, considering doing it.
Definitely riding, but I'm enough out of shape that 200k sounds like a poor decision (doesn't mean i won't make that decision) - what's your plan JP?
the founder, leader, and original king of poor decisions is chiming in now:
the whole idea is that it's a poor decision. It's on no one's training plan. It's meant to just ruin legs, hearts and minds which is why I began inviting others all those years ago.
Watching a cat 4 hang with a cat 1 on the climbs after 50 miles. Dropping my training partners half my age, laughing mercilessly as I former teammate bonked at the top of Perkins while complaining that I don't eat enough - all priceless.
Whether or not I can or will show (my work is a real annoying thing these days) I will try to do the do.
We will see.
BTW there are always traditional turn back spots and those who choose that are not subject to ridicule.
Okay not THAT much ridicule.

Maintain!

Keith
If there is only one ride I'm allowed to do this year, this might be the one I choose.  It is truly and utterly epic in it's leg shredding, frozen snot making, pit stopping for deli meat sandwiches ridiculousness.
I'll be riding on Sunday and then cheering on the not only the best, but (particularly in February) the most underwhelming team in the NFL, the Denver Donkies.  

Not sure how leg shredded I can get, but I can easily be convinced for a BK to Bear Mountain climb, (where I'll flake out, jot over to Peekskill and train it back to the city).

With a sunny day so far forecasted, might be worth a shot. 

FWIW, I'm planning on a long (but not to Bear Mountain, probably Apple Orchards) ride on Saturday. Sunday, I'm time restricted and will have to keep it short.
I'm a glutton for punishment so I'm down for whatever. Weather looks good.
For those considering this, bring enough food so you can eat about a bar an hour.  Also have at least one caffeinated gel in case you're on edge or over.  And have enough money for a meal and transportation home.
Have fun...I did my long ride today....Spring is near
I was gonna make Bear Mountain no matter what.  On the ride up I selling it to everyone out today (except JP) and Delna was game.  JP and Marc turned off earlier than we did so as Delna and I went back to look for them, they were of course gone.  

We unfortunately missed the Orchards and more a scenic route, so 303 to 9W it was (303 needs a lot of work ... I don't recommend 87% of it).  As we climbed the first half of Bear Mtn, lo and behold, there's JP coming up the other side!  We climbed to the top, enjoyed the scenery, split from JP and headed to Peekskill.  As we arrived the train was approaching within 5 minutes so Delna and I cancelled the brewery stop and took the train to back to the city.

Great day for a ride and a way to break up the slog through the manhattan (especially for those in BK) on the way back.  I'm definitely down for more rides like that, certainly when the weather gets better (but can't beat a Feb day like today).

And I'll do this next year regardless the weather, count me in.
And I'll do this next year regardless the weather, count me in.
Let's put it on the Kissena calendar now. February 5, 2017

I didn't realize Delna was game, I knew Scott was, so it was surprising when they made the turn for Piermont.  

Beautiful day.  Marc turned back at West Nyack and told me to pick it up, which I did.

The apple orchard climb was great. The climb into Harriman only disappointed because my chain decided to develop a stiff link and skipped every revolution as the road steepened.  And then worked itself out on the ensuing descent.  Harriman was nice and empty, a far cry from summer.  No one out ice fishing.

I was thinking of knocking out a threshold effort up Perkins, which was probably dumb because the road doesn't get plowed in the winter. But then I saw Scott and Delna and we kept it social.  Some patches of ice and snow on the road in the upper reaches, but only meant we couldn't ride hard on the downhill.   On the descent, some folks whipped out their iPads as we sped by.

The Cove Deli was quiet.  Seems to have been improved a bit since I was last there.  I just missed seeing the annual Polar Plunge into the Hudson at Stony Point.  

In Haverstraw, I found Keith going north.  We rode back together.  

For those of you starting to prepare for next year's ride, here's the Strava view of the ride.  https://www.strava.com/activities/488492924  (I'm hoping Scott and Delna upload to see the flyby's)

Basic numbers:
101.2mi (from Harlem)
6:15 ride time
6,824 feet of elevation gain
3,569 kilojoules of work (should be higher, I turned my powermeter on at the bridge)

I wish I could compare the numbers to the 2014 ride, where we had a veritable pack, but I somehow turned off my computer for about 6 miles somewhere in the middle. Still, my average pace then was about 1.5mph faster.
I can't believe this doesn't have a thread.

So I'm starting one.

Over a decade ago, Keith Snyder told me he wanted to do a Century or more on his birthday.  It turned out it fell on or near Super Bowl Sunday.  We went with a few other guys, took an interesting route out to Bear Mountain, rode to the top, came straight home on 9W.  And the tradition was born.  

It has happened almost every year since.  It took a few years before we made the top of Bear (they don't plow the road in the winter).  It's been as big as 20 riders, as small as just me.

The route has varied a bit.  Currently, we take the low road, then take an interesting route to the Orchard, then make our way to Gate Hill Road, climb into Harriman, ride Seven Lakes drive to the end of the park, head to bear mountain and then 9w.  We ride to the Cove Deli, fill up, and then ride home.

The Deli makes sandwiches.  A number of years, people eat entire an entire sandwich before continuing.  I prefer to grab a beverage, a candy bar or two and keep going, but I respect those who want lunch.

Around 2007 or thereabouts, Gavi Epstein suggested we try his route through Haverstraw.  We accidentally came across a Polar Bear Swim.  We've seen it several times since (one year, there was ice in the Hudson where they were jumping in).  We go along the water in Haverstraw, then the town, and then usually up to 9w for much of the way home.

One year, we left when it was 15 degrees out, it rose to 21 or so, but when we got to Perkins there was snow just beyond the gate.  We turned around.  One year, Joe Weiner, a member from Bay Ridge rode all the way from there, a total of over 144 miles.  Several years, we've turned around upon hitting ice.  Last year was the first time in years I made it to the top.  

We'll control the pace.  Figure it will be 20-22mph on the flats.  Riding a double-paceline, five minute pulls.  Riding steady and smart.  The hills will be taken at a speed the group can handle most times, though we'll probably let the dogs out on two or three of the climbs. Gate hill is one, then maybe the hill to Stony point, maybe another.

two  years ago two of the group got pulled over for riding double on the road from Nyack to Piermont.  One got a ticket.

Bring bottles, bring money, bring food, bring your Metro-North train pass.

If you're on the fence, you can sit at the back.  If you think you can do 100, but not 120, you can take the subway to the GWB.  If you want to start but not do the whole distance, you can cut off at either the top of the Orchard or make it with us to the top of Bear but then head for the train at Peekskill.

This isn't a ride  you do just getting off the couch.  You have January to build to it.

You might be asking if you need to do this.  Of course not.  This isn't about need.  It's about enjoying the bike. It's about enjoying nature and friends. It's about setting out a stupid goal and accomplishing it.  It's about burning 3600 kj or more so you can pig out at a party afterwards. It's about the pleasure of that kind of leg burn.

Although, riding long is a worthwhile training exercise.   Just sitting on your bike, pedaling, eating, drinking, and maintaining focus for the time is training.  You'll get a sense of the fatigue you will feel at the end of a long race and what it's like to keep on pedaling when your legs feel wooden or everything aches, or both.

We start with the Kissena ride.  So 9am meet, 9:10 roll.  Back to the GWB by 3.  

Super Bowl Sunday.
Here's how Keith explained it back in 2010

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The link works but it needs explanation.

Sunday February 7, 2010 is the 5th? Annual Super Bowl ride aka The Birthday Ride aka The Super Duper Birthday Bowl Ride. Whatever.
In my pursuit of idiocy (and pain) I started riding around 200km on my birthday several years ago. These were solo sufferfest/bonk sessions until I decided that I needed to invite other riders to make it harder. So a few years ago I invited a few fellow racers to go on a rather long hilly training ride in the cold with the intent of climbing Perkins Memorial Drive pretty fast then dragging our collective asses back to the GWB and home. That year was actually the only year the top section was passable. Subsequent years the ride has been cold, fast, icy, sunny, stupidly long, slightly shorter, and every other possible in between you can imagine. It has also grown rather nicely. Although not everyone who makes the start time chooses to ride the full course, the numbers have increased as the route has become sorta standardized and allows for shorter options.
For anyone who came along last year and turned back at the Apple Orchard the changes are subtle. For the rest of the fools who feel the need to ride well over 100 miles in early February, there are a few changes that should make the ride a little more interesting than 9W from Stony Point to Nyack which I find to be rather boring. The mapmyride link displays the intended route to the traffic circle at 7 Lakes Drive and Route 6. Because of a glitch in the way mapmyride reads the roads it does not allow for a route to ride through the circle as we will on the bike. This will be of no issue for anyone since the group splits at the Orchard (mile 32 from GWB) and any earlier options to turn back are at the discretion of the individual rider. Those who carry on after the Orchard are going the distance and the way to the bottom of Bear Mountain (Perkins Memorial Drive) from the circle is limited. We will follow Route 6 to the Bear Mountain Bridge circle then head south to the entranc e to the park and begin the climb.
After the descent we will take 9W over the hills to The Cove Deli in Tompkins Cove for a food and bev stop. From there JP Partland will lead the group west / southWest again over a few more hills on our way to Nyack/Piermont and the usual return to the GWB via 9W or the low road (340-the way out on mapmyride). These minor decisions are left to the mood of the group. All told the GWB to GWB loop should be around 110 miles. The only official meeting point will be the GWB. Anyone riding to the bridge can set up other meeting points as they like. We will allow the usual 10 mins at GWB before heading out. As of today the meeting time is 9AM. I will post the definitive time Saturday afternoon as the weather is still iffy. Most likely it will be 9.
Another addition to this year's ride is yes,...PRIZES! Since we tend to "race" up a lot of the climbs I decided to make them official KOMs with prizes and everything. You might win a book. You might win some Kissena lycra shoe covers. A pair of the old school orange/blue summer socks. Or just bragging rights. I'll sort that out by Sunday morning and probably tell everyone what they are racing for at some point just before each KOM. Its' dealer's choice and I'm the dealer.
At this writing there are 6 KOMs and 2 sprints for the non-climbers. I'll list all the details at the end.
While I expect the ride to be predominantly Kissenas, it is open to members of other teams and I often encourage, taunt, beg, and dare them to come along. Different faces makes it much more interesting.
That said be a good judge of yourself, your ability, and your fitness. TAHT said we've had cat 5's to cat 1's all ride together in the past. But if this is your first "century" I would consider planning on the shorter route and seeing how you feel. It's fun but it is hard.
Here are the basics:
Sunday Feb 7
GWB 9AM depart 9:10
about 110 miles from GWB and back.
the first half of the route:
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ny/-new-york/336126531358141099
Probably 6 KOMs ( orchard, Perkins, rt 98, rockland lake?,)with prizes. 2 sprints (state line rt 340 is #1)sorry NO prizes.
Make sure and bring food, gels, drinks, MONEY, MetroNorth bike pass (if you have one-in case of problems) two tubes and air or pump, and your climbing legs. Make sure your bike is ready and your tires are good.
We don't make a lot of stops. The only scheduled stop is Cove Deli. That is about 100km into the ride. Plan for it. After KOMs and at other climbs there are regroupings and sometimes a chance for a P break. Usually no one has stopped but we aren't sadists. Masochists maybe. We will follow our standard NO-DROP policy which is defined as this: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RIDER BEHIND YOU. Yes you will be "dropped" at times but not left behind. Keep the guy behind you in sight or at least know they are on their way and not stranded with a flat, a mechanical, or something worse. As far as the time commitment figure that 7 hours of your day is shot. I plan on being at home at 3pm or 4pm drinking a coffee or a beer. The pace is good since we always have a few horses so 110 miles in 6+ hours is not unreasonable.
If anyone has any questions just email me off group directly.

Keith Snyder
kpsartless@verizon.net
@DelnaWeil and I unwittingly did this last Super Bowl Sunday.  We rode to Piermont, lost JP and Bertucco and did a totally not exciting ride up 303 to Bear, where we met again with JP!  Climbed to the top, then Delna and I headed to Peekskill and took the train home. Total from BK, ~80 miles.

The weather totally cooperated last year so who knows what this year will be.  Good luck to those who embark on the adventure! 
I did the Superbowl Ride 3 years ago and it was one of my top 3 cycling moments ever.  I wasn't in the best of shape and suffered (the good kind) through nearly 150 miles of riding and many thousands of feet of climbing.

If at all possible, do this ride.