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^I love me some CX, and I love Helen but from an instructional perspective that was poor. I was hoping for more.
Nice nice - Whirly is a fast one, good for those coming off road season (it's been called the "grass crit"). Last year was a complete and utter mudfest though - I learned first hand that mud poison ivy is real. There's a tiny wooded section with a log that you can ride over if it's dry. 

I'm likely going to be doing the NJCX cup - unsure if I'll get Bubblecross (09/22) as I'll be coming back from Yosemite the night before - unless Cat 4/5 isn't at 8:00am... 

I don't think Bike Reg hasn't been updated for any of these except Lucky Charm. 

2019 NJBA Cyclocross Cup Schedule
Date
Event
Location

9/22
BubbleCross
West Milford

9/28
Lucky Charm
Craigmeir

10/5
Hippo Cross
Lamington (new venue this year from what I understand)

11/2
Caffeinated CX
Mullica

State Championship

11/10
SCCX
Augusta


They are hoping for at least one more race to be added, each race weekend will have different start times depending on race promoter's discretion. Still looking for Marty Cross, Apple Cross, and Westwood to be added - but we'll see! 
I'm still trying to put together a CX schedule. It's a pain that some races are not yet listed on BikeReg or listed but for some reason don't show up in the radius search, and of course the events that have not been finalized.

So far I have this tentative lineup going. I will be out of country Sept 30-Oct 16 hence the hole.

Sept 22 -  Lucky Charm
Oct 19 - Belltown CX in CT (Liked it last year new venue this year so we will see.)
Still looking for something to fill in on the weekend of the sept 21/22. I did Bubble CX in 2015 and hated it. I also broke a spoke in my only set of wheels that year...


This should help: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UQI2CdoxUi4WbT4SCRGznI16LLNVe2mkRiMvLbfVh-k/htmlview?usp=gmail

Good to know re: Bubble - I heard of people riding their MTBs on the course, but I thought it was exaggerated - will prob skip that one too. I'll be out of town and getting back late Saturday night on the 21st anyway. 
If you are wondering about a cx race, the King Kog calendar is the place to go.

Here's a tentative list of the races I am likely to be hitting, bold is more likely.

The 3 weekends of Baltimore then DC then HPCX being the A block full hotness. 🔥

Of note, HPCX is now one day.

Whirlybird 9/8 MAC

Nittany Cross 9/14 MAC
Nittany Cross 9/15 MAC

Town Hall Cross 9/21 NJCX
Bubblecross 9/22 NJCX

Cooper River 9/29 MAC

Hippocross 10/5 NJCX
Gloucester 10/5 NECX 
Gloucester 10/6 NECX 

Charm City 10/12 Parkway Trophy
Charm City 10/13 Parkway Trophy

DCCX Day 1 10/19 Parkway Trophy
DCCX Day 2 10/20 Parkway Trophy

HPCX 10/27 MAC -- only one day in 2019 :(

Cycle Smart International 11/9 NECX
Cycle Smart International 11/10 NECX
Slyfox CX 11/10 PACX 
SCCX 11/10 NJCX

Super Cross Cup 11/16 NECX
Super Cross Cup 11/17 NECX

NBX Gran Prix of Cross 12/7 NECX
NBX Gran Prix of Cross 12/8 NECX

Rainey Park CX 12/15

let's go race bikes!
of note that the MAC call up protocol seems to have changed for the amateur categories, to now only seat the front row (top 8) based on the series, and everyone based on order of registration.

I believe in the past, it was the top 20~30 based on series points and then crossresults. If so, this is big shift, aimed at raising registration.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b64e0074cde7a29099af7a2/t/5d42feab6724260001c95211/1564671659584/2019+MAC+Tech+Guide.pdf
The call-up protocol for the first MAC Series race of the season for all categories (minus the Cat 4/5 Men and the 9-14 men/women) will be based on the previous year’s final rankings for the first 1 row (8 starters) as posted on the MAC Series website, followed by order of pre-registration. The call-up protocol for the remaining MAC Series (with exception of the Cat 4/5 Men and 9-14 Men and Women) races will be based on the latest MAC Series rankings as posted on the MAC Series website for the first 1 rows (8 starters) as posted on the MAC Series website, followed by order of pre-registration. The same rankings are used for both races in a double-race weekend. Call-up protocol for the Cat 4/5 Men will be based on order of registration. Bib number will indicate your start grid position. At Promoters discretion, up to 2 race volunteers may be placed in the second row as reward for volunteer effort.


Have race reg numbers dropped in recent years? Or is it an attempt to give folks who don’t plan their seasons in July a chance to well?
Jules said:
Have race reg numbers dropped in recent years? Or is it an attempt to give folks who don’t plan their seasons in July a chance to well?
yes. last year was a very wet muddy season, which lowered numbers, HPCX specially suffered, with super low pre-reg, which i’m guessing is why they are a one day event in 2019
eloy said:
Jules said:
Have race reg numbers dropped in recent years? Or is it an attempt to give folks who don’t plan their seasons in July a chance to well?
yes. last year was a very wet muddy season, which lowered numbers, HPCX specially suffered, with super low pre-reg, which i’m guessing is why they are a one day event in 2019
You’re killing me Smalls 
Yep - it was basically a mudfest every single race, except Rainey.

HPCX was the pinnacle as Day 1 was during the middle of a hurricane, literally. In the 4/5 there was a large tree branch that fell somewhere (thankfully no one was near it). 
Speaking of Cyclocross, is there any plan to have a club CX clinic soon at Cunningham?
Am posting this in both the gravel & cross threads to hopefully get an evenly spread opinion =p

Which path is better taken? Throwing down in gravel races and dabbling in cross? Or the opposite?
Cross is Boss. 

But seriously - I'd say try one of each to start and weigh which one you like more? Cross has a more communal feel, especially at certain venues which is nice. 
@JohnOlsson you're already really good at crashing, so cross would suit you perfectly!
CX, no contest. CX has a thousand new skills and techniques to master as well as an incomparable social scene. Gravel is pretty much just long ITT on bumpy roads where you’d do better if you had some cx experience
How many gravel racing opportunities are out there ?
Am posting this in both the gravel & cross threads to hopefully get an evenly spread opinion =p

Which path is better taken? Throwing down in gravel races and dabbling in cross? Or the opposite?
'Cross.  

I love the idea of gravel races, but I think most are long rides.  Which in and of itself, is fine.  As Mark pointed out, there aren't many gravel races, either, so unless you have an unlimited travel budget, you're effectively dabbling.  And they seem to vary quite a bit in what skills you need, so, again, that suggests dabbling.

Cross races are relatively plentiful close by.  

Looking at both disciplines, I think you can probably get away with a road bike at some gravel, so there's that.  

As for thrills, it depends on what you like.

As for skills, I agree with Jules.  Cross skills are invaluable everywhere.  
I have updated the Kissena CX calendar for 2019 with what we know about existing races. We used this last year to share what races teammates were going to. It was a great way to build excitement and coordinate ride sharing. Some of the later season races have not been confirmed (e.g. KMC and LICX). These will be updated as announcements are made. 

Go ahead and start filling in your info here!
I added available BikeReg links to the Kissena CX calendar.

Note the following races (which are likely to fill up quickly) open as follows:

Charm City opens this Wednesday the 21st at 8pm

Really Rad Fest of CX opens Tuesday August 27th at 12:15 AM

GP Gloucester opens Wednesday Aug 28th at noon


Tomorrow night at 7 pm - and every Wednesday from now until November (unless it rains heavily the day before / day of) we have cyclocross practice on Randall's Island - it's the area just north of Field 74/ 75). 

It's a perfect low-stakes environment for dusting off cobwebs, learning some new techniques, and hot laps as well. 

Be sure to wear bug spray, bring water/hydration, and lights!

(Worth noting as well - since things are sensitive with the parks department and permits, we cannot use this space at any other time). 


I am not sure if I posted this here, things are insane at my and right now, so I apologize if I'm repeating myself.

I spoke to Greg Durovich, he's the race director for the LICX races. I helped him setup those events over the past few years and I will probably do so again this year, and I also want to officiate at them to get more experience officiating. Anyway, he said that he's trying to plan three events in three different parks/locations. Loosly speaking, they might not start until around Thanksgiving weekend, but that depends on which weekends are available and what other races, such as Rainey Park, could conflict. That's all I know right now, I will update as I know more.
@BrianStan I'll be there next week
Are you ready to kick off the CX season with a CX clinic of skills, drills and trail riding at Cunningham Park? Hell yeah!

Now is the time to dust off your CX skills or learn new skills. For those who haven’t done this before, we meet at Cunningham park and work on mounts, dismounts, cornering, barriers, shouldering and several other techniques. A few years ago we had an ice cream truck stop by. Once we are sore from all of that we can hit the trails. Overall, a fun way to start the season. 

We are proposing Saturday the 31st or Monday the 2nd in the morning as the following weekend is Whirlybird. 

Let et us know which day works before you. Hope you can make it!

go vote at this doodle poll:

https://doodle.com/poll/wgxehv4q6bs6arp4


I’m 99% sure I’m going to Randall’s Island tonight! Hoping to see some familiar faces there. Also I rode in Cunningham yesterday and there was heaps of broken glass on a lot of the trails. It might be worthwhile to bring a broom along with us. 
@RobertMullen it looks like its going to rain any second. They cancel the practices if it rains. 
@RobertPeras ahh probably going to rain because I just took a bunch of time to clean my cross bike and swap out tires 
It's a sore subject - of all the times it can rain during the week... It does look like it's starting to rain here in midtown :/ 
Yeah the bad part about cunningham is that alot of high school kids will drop in and smash bottles and throw trash around. @RobertMullen was cunningham still overgrown? It was rough last I went in June. 
It wasn’t too bad! I was on a cross bike and also don’t have mega skills so I was mostly on the green routes with a few blues. Definitely no jungle-like conditions 
Pretty wild last time i was there , 2 weeks ago