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Staaaaalkerrrrs.

Probably just what he grabbed from his closet. We're likely giving significantly more thought as to what he wore in the park on a training ride than he did while getting dressed.
2014 MAC schedule
For people new to cross, your starting position is a huge factor in jl your placing - pay close attention because each race is different. Many use "order of registration" so you'll need to stay up late and reg at the crack of...
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Here are the MAC races that are up on Bikereg thus far:

Nittany reg opens Friday 8/1 at 7AM
https://www.bikereg.com/8th-annual-nittany-lion-cross-mac-series-race-1-2-also-uci-c2-both-days

Charm City opens Monday 8/4 at 8PM
https://www.bikereg.com/charm-city-cross-uci-c2-race-weekend-mac-series-races-3--4

Whirlybird opens Friday 8/1 at noon
https://www.bikereg.com/whirlybird-cross

all three do call ups for the 4/5 races by order of registration
In case you are chomping at the bit like I am and you're interested in getting your cross on a couple weeks early, I'm doing these two races nest month in Springfield, Mass. The dates are 8/23 and 8/24 ……. 5 weeks from now and 2 weeks before Nittany.

https://www.bikereg.com/compedge-cyclocross-race
https://www.bikereg.com/blunt-park-cyclocross-race

I'll be driving up Saturday early to the race(although I might be amenable to heading up on Friday)and then staying the night at a motel. I will have room on my rack for two other bikes and am amenable to sharing a room.  I probably have to leave back for Brooklyn by noon on Sunday

The races are at two different parks that are about 2 miles from each other in Springfield and are put on by the same people. The first one is new and is taking the place of Monson which sounded like it was really technical. It purports to be less technical but not a grass crit. Blunt Park is supposed to be grass british. Based on cross results data from years past,  It looks these races will be about the size of a NJ race with fields typical numbering 25-45 people. I watched a few vids and read a few blogs/race reports. These look like they could be pretty fun
Rick I may be down for the springfield weekend.
@Dan
Awesome! Keep me updated.
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Oh yes.
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Granogue is a place of dreams. It is everything we all want racing to be. Be there.

FWIW, I kind of hate the Granogue course. But that's just me. Everyone else loves it.
@Marc

What do you dislike about it? 

Curious as I'm planning on doing Silk City in CT the day before which looks like it should be fun as it's one of those mountain bikey super technical courses that seems to be the norm in Connecticut. It looks like a race that favors the bike handlers over the FTP monsters. I consider myself someone who falls just a slight bit more comfortably into the former category while not fitting so very neatly into either one. So I was going to put a lot of effort into that one and make it my focus for that weekend. 

But with all the hype and accolades heaped upon the return of Granogue I had begun to second guess that decision

And to everybody else, what makes Granogue such the singularly, superlative experience?



For me, Granogue was just over the top gimicky hard. Adam Myerson once described it as a course full of "booby traps."

I tend to favor course with more balance and variety. Also, not a fan of "no dogs allowed" venues...which is not actually relevant to speaking about the merits of the course, other than it probably colors my overall impression of the events there on the DuPont Estate or wherever.

And maybe now that I'm not totally sucky at CX handling bits, my opinion might change. And like I said, EVERYONE else ever in the history of East Coast CX loves Granogue.
I'm literally the worst technical rider in the universe, and granogue was one of only 3 races I won a few years back when I was in shape. The hill is hard but that's it really - sand with a corner, some fast turns - so awesome. Finishing sprint on pavement. Wicked course, everyone should try it.

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Thanks Marc and Eric

Also not relevant to the merits of the course: I know that f'd up things can happen on DuPont estates …e.g. an Olympic wrestler getting murdered by one of the DuPont heirs i.e. Dave Schultz who I'd met on a couple of occasions while he coached and mentored by best friend from high school in Palo Alto who'd also been part of the FoxCatcher wrestling team on the PA estate. The dog ban IMO somehow fits in with that sort of creepy history. When i first learned that Granogue was on the Dupont Estate, I thought(I now know, incorrectly) it was the same one where the murder occurred and was a little sketched out.

The long sweeping  off camber turn looks pretty tricky, and the hill when it's muddy and a runup (as it seems to be in every other google image I've seen) seems like it could be a gut buster. I gotta say that all the shots of the tower give off a pretty iconic/mystical  vibe. I'll give it a go and try to make sure I have a little in the tank from the day before so that I can see what all the hype is about


Marc hates Granogue, in the same way he would hate racing Paris Roubaix or Flanders.

We race bicycles because places like them, including Granogue, exist.
eloy said:
Marc hates Granogue, in the same he would hate racing Paris Roubaix or Flanders.

We race bicycles because places like them, including Granogue, exist.

^This
Granogue is Magnificent.  That is all.
Granogue will be a much different course in September, when the ground is usually hard and dry.
Granogue is my favorite CX race, hands down. It isn't really even close. The ultra-fast, scary-steep, off-camber descents separate the men from the boys. Tighten all your screws if it's dry; loosen your pedal springs if it's not. The sloppy run-up wall is pristine pain and a boon for hecklers. You get roots. You get exposed sandstone. You get grass. You get elevation change. You get Delaware. It's the most visually beautiful CX course I've ever been to. Leaf peeper nirvana.

ALL THAT SAID, the race used to happen in mid-October. This year's mid-September date could change the nature of the course drastically.
eloy said:
Marc hates Granogue, in the same way he would hate racing Paris Roubaix or Flanders.

We race bicycles because places like them, including Granogue, exist.
Not exactly. A couple of true facts. I've raced on cobbles in Belgium. I had fun. I've also trained on the Oude Kwaremont climb in a thunderstorm. That was awesome too.

But that said, Rick, based on all the posts, I think you have a pretty good picture of what Granogue is all about.

I think granogue is a great course, mix of power and technical sections.

I think you have to take the professional dudes thoughts on courses with a grain if salt. They are going soooo much faster and usually in tighter bunches in tactical situations.
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^It's July.
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I'm thinking mid-late august.
The NJBA Cyclocross Cup Schedule is starting to come together.  The current schedule looks something like this:
9/13 - Independence Cross
9/21 - Horseshoe Scramble
9/28 - Westwood Velo CX
10/4 - Caffeinated CX
10/12 - Cooper River
10/25 - 26 - Marty CX
11/2 - Bubble Cross (Tentative)
Nice, some good races.

A bit bummed that Horseshoe moved to early season, I always liked that as a late season wrap up.

My biggest dilemma this year is deciding between Iron Cross and Providence.
Nice, some good races.

A bit bummed that Horseshoe moved to early season, I always liked that as a late season wrap up.

My biggest dilemma this year is deciding between Iron Cross and Providence.
Dude, Providence is going to be slamming this year. Fries is trying to get UCI/World Cup status, so he's bound to have some tricks up his sleeve this year. Just bring a lock...that's where I got my bike stolen.