Nov 15, 2019 at 03:07 AM
@Jules By which accounts exactly ?
Professional Dopers
Nov 15, 2019 at 03:45 AM
Jess Varnish employment tribunal and maybe the comments that came from Victoria Pendleton?
Nov 15, 2019 at 12:03 PM
No doubt that Sutton was a bully (although I believe that is an almost essential quality of a great coach**), which was the focus of the complaints from Jess and VP. The actual focus of the tribunal brought by Jess was whether she (and hence all other athletes) in the UK Sport program are employees or not.
Nov 15, 2019 at 03:11 PM
The idea that "great coaches" are bullies has been pretty thoroughly debunked and falls (I think) into the category of "old school tough guy" mentalities around athletics. Just because something was present doesn't mean it was the most effective method, any more than leeching was the "best medicine" when it was all that was practiced, but I digress.
As for British Cycling, Jess Varnish, Victoria Pendleton, Sutton himself not to mention Darren Kenny ... but again, digression.
The narrative that sells clicks is the "one very bad apple" because talking about a system or an organization that fosters, protects and incentivizes bad behaviour is less simple to solve, and doesn't provide easy villains. UCI, WADA, USAC, Softbank, etc.
Sutton is no doubt a nasty piece of work, but what of an organization that put and kept him in his senior role for so long, knowing full well what a POS he is?
(one last on the subject of bullying coaches)
As for British Cycling, Jess Varnish, Victoria Pendleton, Sutton himself not to mention Darren Kenny ... but again, digression.
The narrative that sells clicks is the "one very bad apple" because talking about a system or an organization that fosters, protects and incentivizes bad behaviour is less simple to solve, and doesn't provide easy villains. UCI, WADA, USAC, Softbank, etc.
Sutton is no doubt a nasty piece of work, but what of an organization that put and kept him in his senior role for so long, knowing full well what a POS he is?
(one last on the subject of bullying coaches)
Nov 15, 2019 at 05:02 PM
was gonna jump in to say that the cycling coach bully is a cool cinematic romantic old school idea, but kinda sad that they can sometimes still be found in the peloton... luckily, in real life most coaches are your best cheerleader and advocates (that will still push you and call you out on shit)
Nov 15, 2019 at 05:54 PM
The Opposite of Alberto Salazar: How Positive Coaching Helped Make Me An Olympian
Nov 15, 2019 at 06:26 PM
One thing that bears highlighting is that bully-coaching (or bossing, for that matter) is/was common for the same reasons many other things are - it's cheap. It doesn't take a lot of skill or experience to be mean and demanding - and as the east germans made abundantly clear that if you throw a dozen eggs against the wall some will not break - that doesn't mean they're the best eggs, just the ones that didn't break when thrown.
So we have a big selection bias in the population of older coaches.
So we have a big selection bias in the population of older coaches.
Nov 15, 2019 at 06:34 PM
OK my original statement should have been more nuanced. The best coaches use the right motivational technique for a particular athlete and that needs to include positive affirmation, gentle nudging and outright bullying.
Personally I don't respond to positive affirmation (just like I don't need to be told I've done a good job at work or get involved in one of those dreadful wishy-washy feel-good "ice cream Friday" events or whatever the latest BS idea is).
I did however produce my best ever FTP and peak power numbers when my coach was stood next to me by the trainer shouting at me and questioning my manhood.
Personally I don't respond to positive affirmation (just like I don't need to be told I've done a good job at work or get involved in one of those dreadful wishy-washy feel-good "ice cream Friday" events or whatever the latest BS idea is).
I did however produce my best ever FTP and peak power numbers when my coach was stood next to me by the trainer shouting at me and questioning my manhood.
Nov 15, 2019 at 06:38 PM
That's exactly it, isn't it? We aren't robots, and no two people respond the same way to the same motivations. I'd even argue that what motivated me when I was 19 wouldn't work as well at 49.ian ellis said:OK my original statement should have been more nuanced. The best coaches use the right motivational technique for a particular athlete and that needs to include positive affirmation, gentle nudging and outright bullying.
Personally I don't respond to positive affirmation (just like I don't need to be told I've done a good job at work or get involved in one of those dreadful wishy-washy feel-good "ice cream Friday" events or whatever the latest BS idea is).
I did however produce my best ever FTP and peak power numbers when my coach was stood next to me by the trainer shouting at me and questioning my manhood.
Nov 17, 2019 at 03:00 PM
Nov 26, 2019 at 07:43 PM
Jules said:
Yes, he probably doped juniors, and probably without their express knowledge or consent. I also heard when it came to national team seniors, he was a pretty shitty coach who wore people out with unreasonable programs.
Nov 26, 2019 at 07:43 PM
I read Vaughters doping memoir so you don't have to.
http://jralong.com/2019/11/26/reviewed-one-way-ticket-by-jonathan-vaughters/
http://jralong.com/2019/11/26/reviewed-one-way-ticket-by-jonathan-vaughters/
Nov 26, 2019 at 07:55 PM
I really appreciate that, JP. Gracias!
Dec 15, 2019 at 12:28 PM
Dec 15, 2019 at 12:30 PM
Whoops did I post in the wrong thread🤭
Dec 15, 2019 at 05:56 PM
Feb 03, 2020 at 01:24 PM
Feb 03, 2020 at 02:56 PM
This story bugs me for two reasons and neither of them are because doping is bad. It is.
First, what in the name of seven holy wheel changes does "allegedly connected to" mean?!? I think that is literally the worst piece of writing I've seen since Steve Buscemi succumbed to "space madness" in Armageddon. You gotta creep pretty low to get under that bar.
Second, you cannot ban people from giving advice. The only way to make anti-doping worse is to promulgate more, stupider and less enforceable rules like that.
First, what in the name of seven holy wheel changes does "allegedly connected to" mean?!? I think that is literally the worst piece of writing I've seen since Steve Buscemi succumbed to "space madness" in Armageddon. You gotta creep pretty low to get under that bar.
Second, you cannot ban people from giving advice. The only way to make anti-doping worse is to promulgate more, stupider and less enforceable rules like that.
Feb 03, 2020 at 09:47 PM
https://www.53x12.com/copy-of-epower-or-placepo-1
I think the best part of this is the last line, like I mean the dude is right.
I think the best part of this is the last line, like I mean the dude is right.
Feb 05, 2020 at 05:01 PM
I have never been sure this guys is a real rider , but i also laughed when i read about Fuglsang "change diet " article last year and was also annoyed when GCN featured it and validated its credibility
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/02/the-secret-pro-never-buy-a-ferrari/
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/02/the-secret-pro-never-buy-a-ferrari/
Feb 05, 2020 at 06:40 PM
I think this graphic is great, btwMark Taylor said:I have never been sure this guys is a real rider , but i also laughed when i read about Fuglsang "change diet " article last year and was also annoyed when GCN featured it and validated its credibility
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/02/the-secret-pro-never-buy-a-ferrari/
Feb 07, 2020 at 06:00 PM
https://youtu.be/MyLC3IfqU_o
Feb 19, 2020 at 05:31 PM
Hooray !
Ruta del Sol: Fuglsang wins opening stage
Feb 19, 2020 at 07:53 PM
No need for such surprise, he has been doing that high quality motor pacing.
Feb 19, 2020 at 08:04 PM
Not really sure Fugelsang should be getting the heat when Quintana is putting out 6.8 w/kg and the good old American kid is doing six and a half.
I agree with Lemond - you can tie yourself in knots trying to catch an infinite list of methods of doping, or you can look at the results. Six and a half watts/kg for 30 minutes is up there with 9.6 seconds for 100m running.
I agree with Lemond - you can tie yourself in knots trying to catch an infinite list of methods of doping, or you can look at the results. Six and a half watts/kg for 30 minutes is up there with 9.6 seconds for 100m running.
Feb 22, 2020 at 03:55 AM
6.8wk/g Y2K!
Mar 26, 2020 at 03:50 PM
Because of course he did!
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-lawsuit-witness-banned-for-doping/
"Gleaves, 36, tested positive for oxandrolone metabolites 17α-Hydroxymethyl-17β-methyl-18-nor-2-oxa-5α-androst-13-en-3-one and 17β-Hydroxymethyl-17α-methyl-18-nor-2-oxa-5α-androst-13-en-3-one, as well as clomiphene and its metabolite 4-hydroxyclomiphene"
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-lawsuit-witness-banned-for-doping/
"Gleaves, 36, tested positive for oxandrolone metabolites 17α-Hydroxymethyl-17β-methyl-18-nor-2-oxa-5α-androst-13-en-3-one and 17β-Hydroxymethyl-17α-methyl-18-nor-2-oxa-5α-androst-13-en-3-one, as well as clomiphene and its metabolite 4-hydroxyclomiphene"
Mar 26, 2020 at 07:26 PM
The Texan, who won two Tour de France stages in the early 1990s, remains banned from sport for life.
My favorite part of the article, emphasis mine.
Mar 26, 2020 at 07:35 PM
LOL!!
Apr 30, 2020 at 01:09 AM
