Jun 30, 2014 at 11:09 PM
i am also curious as to the depth debate...
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Jun 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM
If I had to guess, Vlad has ridden quite deep wheels for some time and while he's become proficient at sailing them around a windy course, he probably spends more time fighting them than benefitting from them? That said, I have a friend who was/is a zipp rep, and his favorite all around wheels were 404s. Curious to read opinions on all of this...because you know...a dude can dream (and maybe pick up extra shifts at the hospital).
Jul 01, 2014 at 12:48 AM
@Vlad I love those. The 25mm all carbon angle intrigues me. No more brake-pad swapping, cable-adjusting as I go from 25mm carbon racing rims back to 23mm aluminum training ...
Jul 01, 2014 at 04:19 AM
Marc nailed it. I got tired of fighting the Mad's at Floyd. That said, I had no major problems with them, and I hope to get them repaired or replaced. I also have 65mm Enve tubulars which frankly kick ass. I have the deep stuff covered. I also have a disc; just saying.
I was looking for something shallower to replace my trusty Shimanno C24's that gave up the ghost this winter. I wanted something that wouldn't be as affected by the F5 twisters that settle atop the FBF prarieland. These are pretty light clinchers at just over 1300g, which make them worthy hilly road race wheels, especially on windy days. I won't miss the the 'hey how are ya!' front wheel twitch when that 15+mph crosswind gust hits me on the descent; just saying.
It's good to mix it up and have shallow wheel set. Wide rim carbon clinchers make it all the sweeter. Our RB + Reynolds deal makes it a no brainer. If you don't have deep section wheels, then maybe you should buy some (preferably before Aug 31). If you do, then maybe these make sense.
I'll let you guys know how they perform. They're going to see Floyd 3 times this week.
No more brake-pad swapping is a plus and Reynolds makes some great pads.
Jul 01, 2014 at 05:55 AM
So...all things considered. Reynolds deal and Neuvation deal:
44 mm Normal Price $895 with CX Ray - Kissena price is $716 or with Laser spokes $636
50 mm Normal Price $895 with CX Ray - Kissena price is $716 or with Laser spokes $636
60 mm Normal Price $995 with CX Ray - Kissena price is $796 or with Laser spokes $716
88 mm Normal Price $1095 with CX Ray - Kissena price is $876 or with Laser spokes $795
What's the better deal? I mean, obviously Neuvation carbon hoops are still cheaper, but are you getting higher quality with Reynolds?
p.s. if a bike shop can get sued for using Roubaix, how in the world does Reynolds the wheel folks get away with calling themselves Reynolds, when one of the top steel tube manufacturers is also called Reynolds?
Jul 01, 2014 at 11:50 AM
http://www.neugentcycling.com/product8.html
Don't overlook the above wheels either. 22 wide 23 high...1320 grams...and our price with Laser spokes = $316
I still don't really understand the difference in ride quality vs a carbon tubular since both would have a tubular tire seated on a nice wide rim. Also...I hear tubular glue sticks better to aluminum than it does to carbon. I suspect if you should destroy an aluminum rim it would be a few hundred less to replace...and then there is the braking surface....aluminum has a tendency to stop your bike when it gets wet. My carbon wheels would stop me in the rain but they would not modulate well at all.
Jul 01, 2014 at 12:11 PM
Yacks, FWIW, I'm all over the aluminum tubulars for cross this year. Totally sold on those.
I'm just getting jelly looking at all the pictures of go fast carbon clinchers for my new road bike...which would above all LOOK bad-ass. Of course I do have Green Mountain on my radar, and possibly a more robust return to road races next year. And some fast wheels on the circuit and road race stages are would help a lot. Lots of rolling, punctuated by not insignificant climbing, and a climby-ish TT.
Jul 01, 2014 at 01:52 PM
Get a powermeter first.
It's possible that the Reynolds are lighter, stronger, more aero, and possess better braking. There's little way to know for sure as Neugent wheels are rarely, if ever, seen in product reviews or tests. But if you're only going to pull out the Reynolds for special occasions and not race them regularly, then it will be money wasted. Buy wheels you will race regularly or don't buy at all.
I had little problem with older 404's at FBF or even crossing the GWB in strong crosswinds. If you have the whole spectrum of depths to choose from and can afford only one race wheel, a mid-depth rim is the way to go.
BTW, the brake pad swapping is very much about avoiding embedded rocks or glass in the pads scoring carbon rims. Yes, the pad compound is important, too, but for flat to flattish courses, it probably doesn't matter as much as it does on hills. And,for those who are considering warrantying rims, most manufacturers put in a proviso that the warranty is only good if you were using approved pads. How they can check or tell this, I do not know.
As for Reynolds, I think they might have been part of the same company at one point.
Jul 01, 2014 at 03:31 PM
Ha! JP knows me well...mugwump said:Get a powermeter first.Go with the wheels you're likely to ride more. If the cheaper upfront price of the Neugents does it, go for that. If the RAP policy with the Reynolds wheels does it, go for that.
But if you're only going to pull out the Reynolds for special occasions and not race them regularly, then it will be money wasted. Buy wheels you will race regularly or don't buy at all.
Jul 02, 2014 at 01:04 AM
Best advice posted. Print it out and tape it to your stem.mugwump said:Get a powermeter first.
Jul 03, 2014 at 10:31 PM
Orange Fluo are in...
Jul 03, 2014 at 11:31 PM
Dibs!!! My head isn't bulbous enough...there is gonna be a lot o this coming from the peloton after I don the flo glow....
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ8Rc98Xs20
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ8Rc98Xs20
Jul 03, 2014 at 11:33 PM
Kinda looks like Myles...
Jul 04, 2014 at 12:35 AM
My flo-glo has a "disclaimer" on the label about how the lid is going to fade...I wonder if they'll last a bit longer than last round though.
Jul 04, 2014 at 02:35 PM
@Ragot How/where/when can we procure the new skid lids?
Jul 04, 2014 at 03:50 PM
Yeah it's time to go from "so faded that it now matches" back to "oh god I look hideously sexy"
Jul 07, 2014 at 03:50 PM
Can we pick the helmets up at Bergen RB?
Jul 07, 2014 at 05:06 PM
Jul 08, 2014 at 01:50 AM
Am I missing something? What does Bones McCoy have to do with this discussion?
Jul 08, 2014 at 02:38 AM
Jul 08, 2014 at 03:07 AM
I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE GIFS
Jul 08, 2014 at 03:08 AM
Also, William Shatner was beautiful in his Star Trek heyday.
Jul 08, 2014 at 03:44 PM
yes pleaseJohnMalcolmson said:@Ragot How/where/when can we procure the new skid lids?
Jul 08, 2014 at 03:46 PM
I have them in the basement - contact me @eragot@gmail...
Jul 12, 2014 at 02:03 AM
My daughter needs a new bike and she has her eye on a Cannondale kids bike....Can I buy one for her using our sponsorship? She is a future team member and is going to rip the legs off all comers !!! Thanks
Yack
Jul 12, 2014 at 02:13 PM
Nope. Tried it.twoyacks said:My daughter needs a new bike and she has her eye on a Cannondale kids bike....Can I buy one for her using our sponsorship? She is a future team member and is going to rip the legs off all comers !!! ThanksYack
Jul 12, 2014 at 02:14 PM
^but Ride *will* give you a good deal.
Jul 12, 2014 at 04:35 PM
Ok. Thanks
Jul 12, 2014 at 05:49 PM
Boo ya
Jul 15, 2014 at 09:43 PM
I would like to thank Conta-doper and anybody else whose carbon wheels failed them yesterday for helping to expedite my decision to return to aluminum racing wheels...
John Neugent returns the discount after you pay...so I should be getting 20% back...so total should be about $350 which includes the 2 years of crap-the-bed no questions asked wheel coverage. Yacks
| 1 | A220TW Alloy Tubular Set | $440.00 | $440.00 | |
| Shimano - Sram 8.9.10.11 Sapim Laser $395 Black Hubs Black spokes Black front spoke nipple Black rear drive side spoke nipple Black rear non drive side spoke nipple Wheel Protection Plan (2 years) $45 Hi John. My name is Chris Yack and I'm a Kissena Cycling Club member so I would like to get the generous team discount. I'm ordering some aluminum tubular wheels instead of carbon. I want the consistent braking and stability of the shallow aluminum rim. NY race courses tend to be windy, rainy and pot hole strewn. As far as color...I'de like the hubs, spokes and nipples to be as black as your soul  thanks | ||||