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I don't buy it Marc. I have a Rudy helmet that is just as faded as JP's or yours or anyone else's and it's still highly visible. It's not peach and it took two years of constant racing and training to get that way. When I get home, I'll take a picture.
vlad said:
I don't buy it Marc. I have a Rudy helmet that is just as faded as JP's or yours or anyone else's and it's still highly visible. It's not peach and it took a year and half of constant racing and training to get that way. When I get home, I'll take a picture.
Don't bother. I don't care.
This is not about you caring as much as it is about allowing all the other parties interested in this issue to better understand what's being discussed.
Hey guys,

It's really okay to have differing opinions without feeling the need to challenge each other. If We want petty squabbles we can go read NYVelocity website comments. Let's keep them off our forum. It's not worth arguing about helmets with teammates....Really
I apologize if this is making people uncomfortable, but this is not me picking a fight. I just want people to feel informed and I will contest opinions that I disagree with, especially ones that I feel are irrelevant or presented unfairly.
I have a very large head and can fit into a medium POC Octal. However, I cannot wear a very thick hat underneath. I have one hat in particular that is really thick, and I don't wear it underneath because it's uncomfortable. However, I have other hats that work quite well under the helmet so it's fine. Unless you truly have an enormous head (like 7 3/4 hat size or larger) a medium will fit you. If you are on the border of a size, I'd advise sizing down.
^It's true. Jeff's head is freakishly big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqycJpRdVaY
As long as I don't look like this guy

No.
For enquiring eyes and those late to the party - 2 years on the left, 7 months or so on the right.






BTW The newer helmets have a revised pigment. It has more red in it which makes it more resistant to fading. how are the POCs holding up Jules/Jeff?
BTW The newer helmets have a revised pigment. It has more red in it which makes it more resistant to fading. how are the POCs holding up Jules/Jeff?
Maybe this is why Giro's orange helmet is called 'racing red.'

A contact at Giro told me that the ability of a helmet to resist fading depends on how they mix the colors at the factory, something that is dictated by the designers.  As a result, almost identical-colored helmets that come from the same factory and are made for different companies have differing abilities to keep their color.  

Kind of matches up with WrongWay's claim.

Red, Orange and Yellow are most likely to fade because they reflect red light waves and therefore absorb more blue light. The light waves at the blue end of the spectrum are shorter and have greater energy. Therefore the molecular impact on paint containing red  is greater, causing faster degradation  of the paint finish.

Red cars are a prime example of this. All of the dull faded cars you see on the street are red.

However not all paint and painting processes are equal. The color of the basecoat and the layers of paint topcoat applied as well as the quality of the actual paint all play a part.
UV protective clearcoats are also available, but expensive.

Hence you will see far fewer expensive red cars with obvious fade.

(Although this statistic may be influenced by other factors such as a greater number of expensive cars being garaged and not left on the street.)

ian ellis said:
Red, Orange and Yellow are most likely to fade because they reflect red light waves and therefore absorb more blue light. The light waves at the blue end of the spectrum are shorter and have greater energy. Therefore the molecular impact on paint containing red  is greater, causing faster degradation  of the paint finish.

Red cars are a prime example of this. All of the dull faded cars you see on the street are red.

However not all paint and painting processes are equal. The color of the basecoat and the layers of paint topcoat applied as well as the quality of the actual paint all play a part.
UV protective clearcoats are also available, but expensive.

Hence you will see far fewer expensive red cars with obvious fade.

(Although this statistic may be influenced by other factors such as a greater number of expensive cars being garaged and not left on the street.)

Ian - Damn, you know too much about the physics of color and paint process for someone in finance. Have you been fixating on a red Lotus or Maserati?
I am in for a POC helmet deal as well.
What Ian said — that's why ultramarine blue in a 1450 Fra Angelico is still banging away. Fluorescent colors are completely man-made and the worst for obvious discoloration, in simple terms, they absorb UV and transmit it in longer wavelengths in the visible spectrum... and make Brendan go faster.  
PatrickG said:
ian ellis said:
Red, Orange and Yellow are most likely to fade because they reflect red light waves and therefore absorb more blue light. The light waves at the blue end of the spectrum are shorter and have greater energy. Therefore the molecular impact on paint containing red  is greater, causing faster degradation  of the paint finish.

Red cars are a prime example of this. All of the dull faded cars you see on the street are red.

However not all paint and painting processes are equal. The color of the basecoat and the layers of paint topcoat applied as well as the quality of the actual paint all play a part.
UV protective clearcoats are also available, but expensive.

Hence you will see far fewer expensive red cars with obvious fade.

(Although this statistic may be influenced by other factors such as a greater number of expensive cars being garaged and not left on the street.)

Ian - Damn, you know too much about the physics of color and paint process for someone in finance. Have you been fixating on a red Lotus or Maserati?
My guess is he has had a lot of Top Gear streaming during trainer sessions.
Fade depends pretty heavily on hours in the sun. I've had a slow winter so mine still looks lovely.

Garrigan averages 25+ hours a week near the equator... #YMMV
ian ellis said:
Red, Orange and Yellow are most likely to fade because they reflect red light waves and therefore absorb more blue light. The light waves at the blue end of the spectrum are shorter and have greater energy. Therefore the molecular impact on paint containing red  is greater, causing faster degradation  of the paint finish.

Eloy has long claimed that red bikes are faster.  Guess he's right.

Though it seems that Fluo Orange is faster still.    
The research has always supported that red is faster.

Also, it is witnessed in nature, red is faster all around us. 

Obvs.
as a change in tone from helmets, here's a really cool article about Kasia from Redbeard, at the trans-alt bikenyc.org website:

http://bikenyc.org/blog/pedal-profile-kasia-nikhamina-redbeard-bikes-brooklyn


does redbeard have POC helmets to try on? 
Chi said:
does redbeard have POC helmets to try on? 
Not at the moment. I'll see what he can do.

...wrong thread, woops.

Question for Redbeard or anyone else in the know...happen to be thinking about a Giant Cross bike for obvious reasons, but honestly the models which I can afford have paint schemes that just do not please me. And yes, I'm that vain when it comes to parting with that kind of money. Any idea when they might be coming out with new colors?
yeah i don't know what they were thinking offering a white cross bike.  maybe the idea is that it makes the mud look all the more dramatic?
I've got no info about the new 'cross bikes yet. I'll see about getting some details.

We'll try to have POC helmets ordered this week so we can have some to try.
I heard great things about this new Lazer. http://lazersport.com/product/bike-adult-road/blade-mat-black-flash-orange

Pretty cheap at $95
I just got one of these. Most of what makes a Z1 awesome at less then half the price. Only the bottom half is orange, but generally that's what you see when you're in a road bike position, and what will stand out when you're looking up the road for a teammate.

Dear Craig,

Want.

http://www.hexoskin.com/

Go!

Thanks in advance,
Marc

haha. Just kidding, sort of...