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eloy said:
Arguably everyone on these threads is a bit entitled, but Fries entitlement is specially striking and disappointing. This inability to listen and learn, goes a long way to explain him, and perhaps also the decline of the KMC cross fest in recent years.
Richard stepped in it.  Big time.

That written, I think you're unfairly conflating to completely different things.  First, there are plenty of times when society lionizes an "inability to listen."  Stories about of, 'they said s/he'd never ride again...' or 'everyone said it couldn't be done...'  Second, one blind spot is not proof of others.  

Twitter is a cesspool.  Very few read well on it.  People dig their proverbial heels in.  And others seem to gleefully throw themselves on top of the pile-ons.  Mob behavior happens both in person and online.

And, yes McGowan doesn't come across well, either.  She makes clear she has time to tweet but doesn't have time to have a conversation; that's pretty awful as well.  

BTW, ignore Strickland.  He's always taking whatever path he deems popular.  He was a huge Lance fan, even went to print with the fiction that he was part of Lance's inner circle.  But when the reasoned decision came out, he worked mightily hard to seem like he was the first denouncing Armstrong.  That's how Strickland rolls.    
mugwump said:


BTW, ignore Strickland.  He's always taking whatever path he deems popular.  He was a huge Lance fan, even went to print with the fiction that he was part of Lance's inner circle.  But when the reasoned decision came out, he worked mightily hard to seem like he was the first denouncing Armstrong.  That's how Strickland rolls.    
Strongly agree. Plus his piece about the wonderfulness of riding without a helmet still sticks in my craw.
#michaeljacksoneatingpopcorn
We will not agree on this.

I am not conflating different things.

JP, just like you have an opinion on Strickland, I have formed my opinion on Fries based on my interactions with him. Basically confirmed with his exchange with McGowan. 

Bill is not always right, but he is right here. His point -- listen and learn -- agrees somewhat with how JP describes him... Bill was a Lance fan, and then, like many, realized who Lance really was.

... out of context, but here is a photo of me ahead of Strickland at some CX race about 10 years ago.

Amstel Gold, anyone?

HFS
Please be clean
Myles said:
Please be clean
my thoughts exactly.
mugwump said:
Myles said:
Please be clean
my thoughts exactly.
AMEN
In the meantime
#trickstergodofcycling
Jeremy Powers announces retirement, and taking up a gig with GCN.


https://www.facebook.com/JeremyPowers/posts/2346966518702480

chapéu 
UNAPOLOGETIC. RELENTLESS. PERSISTENT: A MACHINES FOR FREEDOM EXPEDITION IN UTAH

These are some absolutely beautiful photos. I wanna go ride there.

https://theradavist.com/2019/04/unapologetic-relentless-persistent-a-machines-for-freedom-expedition-in-utah/#116
eloy said:
JPow's reign was an era. I'll miss it.


I lustening  to an interesting comment on the cycling podcast
about the efforts he’s done over the winter , the crazy number of 800 watt sprints over 33 cyclocross races , never mind what’s he doing in training  and then his limited (15 )road race days that this puts him in a unique( aside from Van Aert , who was last years revelation) level of conditioning compared to a rider with a regular road program
fwiw
Hi Mark.    Im old.   So i remember this article.

Its aged spectacularly, like an '85 la tache. 

http://m.ironman.com/triathlon-news/articles/2003/07/bike-like-lance.aspx

you clearly don’t want to believe 
but that’s ok
263km race chock full of rollers and punchy climbs... Ends it with an all-in TT, then knocks out 800 for (roughly) 45 seconds. He either has Jesus' FTP (see Poulidor) or that was one hell of a finishing bottle.
I'm surprised that everyone is pointing to that finish as the fishy one and not BPils where he rode both Allephillipe and Mathews off his wheel in the sprint...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ocv78XS2Lw


Mark i actually do want to believe.    What did Santayana say about forgetting the past?
Jules said:
I'm surprised that everyone is pointing to that finish as the fishy one and not BPils where he rode both Allephillipe and Mathews off his wheel in the sprint...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ocv78XS2Lw


Mathews would have given him run for money but he let himself get totally boxed in.
MVDP posts his Amstel ride to strava. Power, HR et all. The last 8km are nuts. https://www.strava.com/activities/2307958367/
Hmmmmmm
Froome, showing just how willing he is to lie as part of his job. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-sidesteps-questions-about-the-environment-and-new-sponsor-ineos/
Jules said:
It also demonstrates yet another failure of the team's management to prepare for the obvious.   I'm also kind of surprised Ineos doesn't have some kind of greenwashing response as well.
Jules said:
I really don't know what else the riders are supposed to do .
It seems so easy to Hate on Sky etc 
Didn't see any protests about Total Energie or Jayco Australia , Jerry Ryans business 
Anybody asked Nibali or Dan Martin about their respective sponsors Human rights abuses ?
Jules said:
I really don't know what else the riders are supposed to do .
It seems so easy to Hate on Sky etc 
Didn't see any protests about Total Energie or Jayco Australia , Jerry Ryans business 
Anybody asked Nibali or Dan Martin about their respective sponsors Human rights abuses ?
Um, he could have not repeated the "uncertainty over data" script that the fossil fuel industry has been pushing the last 30 years. Fuck that guy.
"Mary Creagh, Labour MP: “It is disappointing to see a multinational business that made over £2bn in profit last year asking the UK Government to help them dodge European waste and water standards.

“This may explain why INEOS chief Jim Ratcliffe supports Brexit, but it is hardly a vote of confidence in Britain when he has cash for a cycling team but not to make his UK plants fit for the future.”

I hope protesters shut the whole Tour of Britain down.

I really don't know what else the riders are supposed to do .
It seems so easy to Hate on Sky etc 
Didn't see any protests about Total Energie or Jayco Australia , Jerry Ryans business 
Anybody asked Nibali or Dan Martin about their respective sponsors Human rights abuses ?
While I agree it's easy to hate on Sky, it's kind of their doing that it's so easy.  They've contradicted themselves on various stances they've taken--whether it was claiming to be a clean team but employing ex dopers.  Then firing ex-dopers while doing all sorts of shenanigans with TUEs.  And not having a good explanation for any of it.

You bring up comparison to Total-Direct Energie and UAE and Bahrain.  While we could ask their riders about the shortcomings of their employers, there is what I see as a pretty big difference between them and Sky turning into Ineos.  None of those teams used their jerseys for advertising campaigns in the way Sky did and then found a backer who directly contradicted those campaigns.  Team Sky took a position.  Now the same organization sure seems to be ignoring the position they took.  I don't recall Nibali or Dan Martin taking positions on repressive Middle Eastern regimes and then joining their respective squads.  And I don't know enough about Total-Direct Energie or Jayco to comment on what they do or don't do.
Fu#k that guy and his translucent skin