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The problem is twofold (maybe three)
- UCI hasn't really elaborated on why this rule and this position. Surely road furniture/weather conditions are far more dangerous
- it's super subjective
- does this mean Caleb Ewan can never sprint again?
Bahrain Victorious' TT helmets have an .... exhaust outlet on the back?

Going for the Messerschmidtt look?
he supertucked, he sat in the top tube, albeit for a just a few seconds...
You know the Tenafly descent we used to use for group rides?  E. Clinton Ave?  A guy whom I had passed before the descent, who sprinted past me over the top, started to super-tuck on the drop just before a SUV turned onto the road ahead of us.  He got out of the tuck, thankfully, and slammed on the brakes.  

I was kind of pissed.  I was hoping to pass the guy without the super-tuck.  

As it was, I passed both him and the car that slowed us down.  

I think the guy's behavior is why they're banning the super-tuck.  I've also seen several people do it in races on the Prospect downhill.  Only one looked like he could be trusted in that position.  
mugwump said:

I think the guy's behavior is why they're banning the super-tuck.  I've also seen several people do it in races on the Prospect downhill.  Only one looked like he could be trusted in that position.  
I think they're (ostensibly) trying to avoid pressuring pros into supertucking just to stay attached on descents. It doesn't really pass the sniff test because "better" descenders will still put huge time into poorer ones, and risky descents (speed, rain, oil, visibility team cars, road conditions, etc) are still rewarded even without supertucks.

Amateurs supertucking could be addressed by USAC but they're too busy getting their bigot on.
I just think it gets tricky when you set parameters like “butt cannot touch top tube” and it is hard to tell for certain that butt touched top tube. Pros will try and find a way to gain an advantage within the established rules (pinkies on the shifters, shifters turned inward, etc) and I think that might have been what happened with carapaz. But I wasn’t there so I have no idea lol. 

And I’m not saying everyone should super tuck. I always think of it as the first day of spring when I see someone super tuck down the PP descent. I agree that’s why they banned it but pros do a lot of things I don’t think amateurs should do. I think the super tuck LOOKS more dangerous to the average onlooker than descending a mountain at 80kmh
Jules said:
I think they're (ostensibly) trying to avoid pressuring pros into supertucking just to stay attached on descents. It doesn't really pass the sniff test because "better" descenders will still put huge time into poorer ones, and risky descents (speed, rain, oil, visibility team cars, road conditions, etc) are still rewarded even without supertucks.

I don't know if it's about that.  I think the UCI could argue that just as they banned Spinacis and other forward-pointing handlebar devices in mass-start racing, the super tuck ban is about the three points of contact (feet, seat, hands)--adding the chest to that list is a fourth.  Furthermore, steering and handling are compromised.  And the results of some pro whiffing it for whatever reason, cramps, can't handle the radius of a turn, would be bad.

I find comments about road furniture largely irrelevant.  They don't compromise steering or handling of a bicycle.  Racers used to contend with worse road conditions and things like trolley tracks on a regular basis. 

On the good side, it gives everyone another reason to hate the UCI.
Road furniture is relevant when the argument is "Safety." I haven't seen anything to indicate this is related to some magical 'three points of contact" - which would be weird on it's own account, but I digress.
I did enjoy on commentary someone said recently ,along the line of  ,"we can count on the UCI to come up with stupid  rules , we also count on them to enforce them inconsistently" 
I did enjoy on commentary someone said recently ,along the line of  ,"we can count on the UCI to come up with stupid  rules , we also count on them to enforce them inconsistently" 

At this point , you might as well wear a full Spidey suit
But actually, what's the different between leg warmers and tall socks? Does a long legged winter skinsuit exist? Or is that not allowed by the UCI?
Mario Cipollini The wounded Lion King  Cyclingnews
But actually, what's the different between leg warmers and tall socks? Does a long legged winter skinsuit exist? Or is that not allowed by the UCI?
Huh I actually never thought about this but that’s an interesting point haha. 
At this point , you might as well wear a full Spidey suit
LOL he is wearing a full on body suit with knee warmers cut out.
@Jules

If you look at this, posted earlier today, it does seem to relate to 'three points of contact' which would make it seem that banning the super tuck is merely applying an already-existing rule in regards to the reasons for banning the use of many styles of clip-on aerobars in mass-start races.




I read it as a description of what was required, not a rationale. Also, three points of contact are maintained sitting on the top tube... but #ucilogic

“You are my hero” The legacy of Joe Shami, the legend of Mount Diablo

by John Burke, Trek President 
https://blog.trekbikes.com/en/2021/04/22/you-are-my-hero/
Jules said:
I read it as a description of what was required, not a rationale. Also, three points of contact are maintained sitting on the top tube... but #ucilogic
When I've gotten in the super tuck position, my chest is resting on the bars and stem.  Which would make a fourth point of contact.

Judging by this picture of Froome, I don't think I'm doing it wrong.  


eloy said:

“You are my hero” The legacy of Joe Shami, the legend of Mount Diablo

by John Burke, Trek President 
https://blog.trekbikes.com/en/2021/04/22/you-are-my-hero/
This is a very sad story. To be honest I'm kind of disgusted that Burke uses this story to shill his Project One (mentioned eight times) so fucking hard.

This could have been a story about opportunities lost - why did he wait to meet the man? Or bike safety, or traffic laws... but instead... ick.
Jules, it feels like it is all those things.
Jules said:
eloy said:

“You are my hero” The legacy of Joe Shami, the legend of Mount Diablo

by John Burke, Trek President 
https://blog.trekbikes.com/en/2021/04/22/you-are-my-hero/
This is a very sad story. To be honest I'm kind of disgusted that Burke uses this story to shill his Project One (mentioned eight times) so fucking hard.

This could have been a story about opportunities lost - why did he wait to meet the man? Or bike safety, or traffic laws... but instead... ick.
Isn’t this article on the Trek blog?
the point of the website is to sell Trek bikes , any trick in the book to make Buck ! That how advertising works 



LOL



https://youtu.be/CtwJvgPJ9xw

Jules said:

This is a very sad story. To be honest I'm kind of disgusted that Burke uses this story to shill his Project One (mentioned eight times) so fucking hard.

This could have been a story about opportunities lost - why did he wait to meet the man? Or bike safety, or traffic laws... but instead... ick.
On the one hand, he's not a philosopher or poet.  Nor is whomever they have writing the blog for him.

I agree there could have been a softer sell.  Sure, it's on the Trek Blog.  But that's why it's easy to minimize the pitch.  They've already won the person reading over, say something nice, don't beat them over the head with a hard sell.  

On the other, this kind of seems typical for the stories I've heard of Burke.  His dad started and grew the business and allegedly he had the charm.  
 Ninety two mL/min/kg. Fucking Stratospheric.

https://cyclingtips.com/2021/04/the-ski-mountaineer-who-climbed-straight-into-cyclings-worldtour/

Did Sam Bennet just win a sprint... in the Tops?


Haha it wasn't even the first time he's done this THIS YEAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtIpqU5IW3A&ab_channel=FloBikes

I saw an interview , where he said , " I know people laugh at me , but I get more power out"
There used to be a sprinter named Gilbert Glaus who preferred sprinting on the hoods. Even won against Sean Kelly on the Champs. Nothing like winning to prove people wrong.

The image here is from a book I've owned since the early 80's about the 1983 racing season. atta


THIS IS IMPORTANT: 
The person that covers the full course the fastest wins.

Literally everything else is nuance.

ALSO IMPORTANT:
If you ride for Kissena, we love you, but you are not Sam Bennet, go get vaccinated and sprint on the drops.