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Training to Race: Faster, Stronger, Awesomer

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@JohnOlsson this is interesting. I put my numbers in and I am waaaaaaay above every category. Am I looking at this this wrong way? Or could it be that this is saying not to go heavy at all? Still, doing 130 lb deadlifts 5 times is barely a warmup for me (I am not trying to brag - just giving an example) Also, what’s with the weak bench press? 90 lbs in sets of 5? I know cyclists typically have tiny arms, but come on - we need something for the ladies to grab 🤪.
Just sayin...




@JohnOlsson this is interesting. I put my numbers in and I am waaaaaaay above every category. Am I looking at this this wrong way? Or could it be that this is saying not to go heavy at all? Still, doing 130 lb deadlifts 5 times is barely a warmup for me (I am not trying to brag - just giving an example) Also, what’s with the weak bench press? 90 lbs in sets of 5? I know cyclists typically have tiny arms, but come on - we need something for the ladies to grab 🤪.
I think they’ve said in the TR podcast that the calculator is sort of a starting point. Like every cyclist at that bodyweight should be able to do these reps/weights as a minimum. 
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Good stuff guys. All valid points, especially @Jules. I’m a pretty seasoned weight lifter (mainly for team sports and bodybuilding) but I don’t have a ton of experience with lifting weights to make me a better endurance athlete - I’ve been working on this for the past year or so. I tend to get nice and strong in the winter and then fall off into maintenance throughout the rest of the year. One big mistake that I recently made was not lifting heavy at all while training for the marathon. I lost soooo much strength in my legs. I’ll get it back, but so far it’s been obvious.

So who’s down for a weight lifting competition? Come on, I need a fighting chance to win something this year 😎. Maybe we can make a Kissena strong man champion jersey?
Good stuff guys. All valid points, especially @Jules. I’m a pretty seasoned weight lifter (mainly for team sports and bodybuilding) but I don’t have a ton of experience with lifting weights to make me a better endurance athlete - I’ve been working on this for the past year or so. I tend to get nice and strong in the winter and then fall off into maintenance throughout the rest of the year. One big mistake that I recently made was not lifting heavy at all while training for the marathon. I lost soooo much strength in my legs. I’ll get it back, but so far it’s been obvious.

So who’s down for a weight lifting competition? Come on, I need a fighting chance to win something this year 😎. Maybe we can make a Kissena strong man champion jersey?
Yes. Must include muscle ups and handstand press ups. 
The main constraint for amateur racers is time (both recovery and training). The real question usually isn't "will weight training make me faster?" (because I probably won't hurt) it is "what is the largest performance gain for my training investment?"

Two trips to the weight room will cost maybe 90 minutes if you're efficient - so ask yourself if you're getting all your intervals in and all the sleep you need. IMHO unless you're under those calculated calculated targets my sense is that with the target of "racing bikes better and faster" every extra minute of time for training should be going to bikes and sleep until you are well into the 12+ hours a week zone and nailing your intervals & recovery.

Or in the immortal words of Colonel Pogue, "We've got to keep our heads until this peace cross training craze blows over."
I know a bunch of members have Whoops and I’ve been thinking about getting one, but I’m still on the fence. Has anyone felt that it’s made a moderate to significant change in how you train? I love data and numbers but just not sure it will make any notable difference. Thanks!
A decent podcast related to the "science of perfect training."

https://play.acast.com/s/realscienceofsport/8620a00f-61a6-4e4c-9f4e-2eb3552b6db6
Well this concludes Month #2 of steady base training with a bit of intensity thrown in. This coming month I will be backing off on the saddle time/mileage, and increasing my intensity/interval training to prepare me for race season which for me will hopefully start at the end of March.


Came across the following article this morning

https://theconversation.com/a-hot-bath-has-benefits-similar-to-exercise-74600

A hot bath is called "passive heating"

While the studies are comparing passive heating to exercise, there could be come benefits for chronic exercisers like us. 

Field test for me tomorrow. Wish me luck.
Jules said:
Field test for me tomorrow. Wish me luck.
I wish you a steady application of power, the focus to keep going, and a near limitless tolerance for pain.  Hope you cramp up and toss your cookies at the end.  Most likely, you'll need to use this test to do it again next week, and you'll be better.

I just finished three weeks of doing a 20m test on Tuesdays.  I improved 5w on the second week.  2w today.  I went farther each week as well.  Was hoping for another 5w, but was feeling a bit sluggish and it showed in my heart rate.  

I definitely got steadier over the three weeks.  Felt like I was getting better at staying low in the drops as well as engaging my glutei more.  And the opening 5m got easier, too.  It's the 10-15 minute range that seems to be the toughest for me.
I'm signed up for the race tomorrow; my plan is to warm up well beforehand and then get out of the gate at the target wattage and hang on for dear life.

Definitely with all longer efforts it's the 1/2 way to 3/4's that is the hardest mentally. The homestretch always brings some elation and a magic match or two.

For many years I've done a much shorter 3 mile protocol but I feel like I get an artificially high FPT from those tests. I think I have some anerobic ability that skews that short end number high.
I'm coming a bit like the last couple of races, riding the bike feels great, hitting my highest HR feels like not so smart.
https://trainright.com/detraining-truth-about-losing-fitness

Good News About Detraining: It’s not as bad or as fast as you think

The muscle of an exercising 20 year old are Indistinguishable from those of an exercising 60 year old.

https://youtu.be/UsMI7nzMdTA
for those Zwift racing:  https://blog.wahoofitness.com/ask-experts-training-tips-eracing
https://youtu.be/bmWSBpMqmgc

Great take on the pros and cons of HRV monitoring
Am I the only one who gets a headache several hours after hard efforts? I used to get a pretty reliable headache after long hard road races (2+ hours) regardless of how much fluid I drank during or after.

I used to call it the "deep effort headache"

This year I'm strong enough to mimic some of those efforts in training and sure enough, after a few hours of rest, the headache is here.

Am I the only one? 
I've gotten something similar after long, intense races but I could almost always attribute it to caffeine and carby gels and drinks.
Nope, you are not the only one. I have a fully embraced what it means to be a master racer, and a little bottle full of advil, tylenol, and a multivitamin follows me anywhere I finish my rides =)

Like you, I have wondered what it causes it. As it is likely a sign that I depleted something, that I could perhaps better plan for. Else, a couple of advil, some chocolate milk, and water on the drive back/couch appear to help. Caffeine also seems to help.
I get it sometimes after my heart rate has been near max for an abnormal amount of time. I've always kind of assumed it was my body/blood flow returning back to some form of a normal state, but coffee and advil always do the trick for me.
Good to know I'm not the only one. Tyelnol & caffeine are always a good pair for headaches.

Just another stick in the pile of reasons that make riding hard an absurd thing to keep doing, but it sure as hell ain't gonna stop me ;) 
I don't think I've ever suffered from this.  Maybe I'm not pushing myself hard enough.

Suffering from...insecurity...FOMO...it's...giving...me...a...headache.
I read somewhere once that strenuous exercise dilates blood vessels inside the skull and that can cause "exercise headaches". 
Perhaps an endurance thing? I don't remember headaches after hard workouts/races, but definitely had them after longer, harder rides - used to chalk those up to dehydration and negative calories/loss of minerals and salts and whatnot.

Then again I haven't been riding like that since I stopped racing and I just turned 40...
I feel like the quality of the trainer road podcasts have gone up quite a lot in the past year or so.

https://www.trainerroad.com/podcast
Yeah! The TR podcast is usually great. They cover a good mix of deep dive science stuff along with psychological/ skills prep. It rarely feels like an ad too, which is a plus. 
Speaking of TR, does anyone have a referral code they could share? I've been wanting to try it.
Yeah buddy. Hit me up with your email and I'll send one over.