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The Kissena Early Season Day at the Velodrome (Track on road bikes)

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L&C Cat 4 tactics and teamwork talk and practice at the Velodrome 3/23

Now that the Kissena racing season has started with a bang at Grant’s Tomb we can start to think about tactics for the L&C cup series.

Having the date of the first L&C cup race pushed back to April 5th gives us the opportunity to meet, plan strategies and work on skills.

Given that we have a new mix of racers with varied teamwork skills, a large Kissena presence in the Cat 4 fields, as well as many goals (placing, jerseys, series points) it makes sense for us to meet to discuss roles and strategy and practice leadouts.

JP has agreed to let us piggyback on his “The Kissena Early Season Day at the Velodrome” on Sunday, March 23rd, at 9am after the Spring Series race in CP.

In addition to whatever JP has planned, my initial sense is for us to address the following (suggestions welcome):

1.     Identify team and individual goals
2.     Identify strategies towards attaining these goals
3.     Review how to apply these strategies during an L&C race
4.     Review how to communicate effectively during the race
5.     Practice lead outs
6.     Review blocking and other team strategies.

    Until then, we can share our goals and ideas for the series

    FYI - Reposted from the Kissena Velodrome Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/350464568560/


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    twoyacks said:
    WHAT THE HELL?!?
    BUMP!

    This Sunday.  Be there.
    I'm driving from Park Slope and have room for two more bikes. I'm taking my track bike also so probably not heading back until a bit later.
    I will be driving from the CP race and can take two other bikes if you won't be following Marc or Dale or whomever is riding from the Park. 
    uhm...Patrick, I wouldn't mind a ride to the velodrome...

    How many folks are planning on riding from CP? Because if it's just me...and Patrick has room in his car...well, me following scribbled out directions avoiding getting doored in Queens just seems silly.
    I was thinking to ride over after the CP race, although getting a ride would work, too :)

    Tim and all CP/Velodrome day doublers, let's all come prepared to ride to the velodrome (extra food/clothes/directions etc) and if there's room in Patrick's ride, double bonus.

    But also...food. In the past, I've raced CP and then gone over the bridge for extra miles and usually 1/2 way to Piermont, if I didn't eat, I bonk terribly. Same when I ride home from PP races. So you know bring food. I'm planning on making a PB&J sandwich. Although one of the coffee carts by my hospital can whip up a egg sandwich and sells $1 donuts that aren't terrible. Not sure if he works on Sundays though...
    Folks coming from CP (or elsewhere) - I am going to be at the Queens side of the Queensboro\59th St bridge at 8:10am . 

    I will guide you if you want from the bridge to the velodrome (and back). No following a scribbled sheet to find your way through Queens! Marc and I chatted - he is going to call or text me after CP if folks are riding over.

    Joshua
    646-235-2336

    Crescent St and Queens Plaza N
    Queens, NY


    Hey Everyone,

    Sarah has come down with a bad flu tonight. She's sleeping and maybe she'll feel better tomorrow, but I may not be able to be at the Velodrome for drills tomorrow because I'll have to stay home taking care of Peter while she recovers some more. I'm confident that Patrick and Dale can pick up the slack though.

    Not looking good in the Bertucco-Smith household today. I'm catching whatever Peter and Sarah have now. Ugh. Fortunately, I know Patrick Grehan is going to be there and Dale. And I think track super stud Kieran and Andy will be too. You guys will be in good hands.
    Velodrome day went off even without veteran mentors J.P. and Marc. 

    Dale stepped into JPs moccasins and I acted like Marc without the pony tail including briefly chatting about the L&C cup while Jim shared his depth of knowledge. 

    Tim, Jim N., David Y., Philip, and Josh came out for the practice a series of skills that we all found beneficial. In addition to working on basic pace line and rotating paceline skills we also practice lead outs in three man groups. 

    Overall, the group found the practice valuable and a request was made to engage in lead outs etc., in Prospect Park in anticipation of the L&C cup.  I am not sure where we will find time before the 5th (however there IS a spring series race in PP next sunday - I was planning on going to Bethel that day, but if there is enough interest perhaps we could meet after the race). 

    Let's gauge interest and then we can pick a date and time. So... If you want to practice pacelines, lead outs or any other skills in Propect in the next couple of weeks respond to this post and let yourself be known!

    Thanks to Patrick and Dale for the instructions and practice. Very helpful to work on this stuff in a controlled environment.
    Nice day out there yesterday (even though my legs have nearly zero pop at the moment).

    And thanks to Mr Yang for hanging out with me a bit afterwards while I tested out the track bike for the first time. 
    Yup, thanks to Dale and Patrick for their tips and insights, always good to have a refresher course.

    @Patrick - as far as the practice at Prospect, no need to go out of your way for this. I think half of the Cat 4 crew will skip the first L&C race anyway for Battenkill. I'm sure people will naturally coalesce at some point for practice eventually.
    half of the Cat 4 crew will skip the first L&C race anyway for Battenkill. I'm sure people will naturally coalesce at some point for practice eventually.
     @Phillip If you guys are at all serious about going after yellow I'd recommend you plan.

    Consider that in the first race(s) you're setting a tone. Stomp all over the competition, psyche them out and make them feel like going after yellow is a bridge too far. Practice delivering Brendan to the sprint, and you'll be able to do that with less likelihood of a crash (think blown riders going backwards through the field on a bloody hill!).

    Lastly, at Floyd last year I missed the last two races, lost the jersey by three points and got bumped off the leaders podium. Consistency matters.


    Sorry I missed Sunday.  A perfect storm of family and work meant no long Kissena rides for me.

    Since starting a new job, I've been less active on the forums and I have missed several crucial events like this awesome track gathering.  Although let's be honest, my forum use during my time as a full time student and later job hunter was a bit hyperactive.

    It is still my personal goal to take the yellow in the L&C.  I might not be able to make all of the leadout drills but I will make all the races (other than the first one, which is Battenkill weekend) unless work or domestic tranquility suddenly demands otherwise.

    See you all in Prospect Park on April 19th!
    Bump.

    Considering our winter, I really want to revive our training day at the Kissena Velodrome as a club event.  The track is a great place to work on pacelines and leadouts.  The former we have barely been able to practice due to winter price, the latter is becoming impossible in the parks.

    I've reached out to AVD to find out if the Spring Series is going on this year.  

     I'll try to figure out a March date for this soon.
    Now it's time to get my Cervelo on the road.
    Bump.
    I'm assuming we should talk to Alan to make sure we're not overlapping with one of his scheduled events?
    I'm assuming we should talk to Alan to make sure we're not overlapping with one of his scheduled events?
    of course.

    I'm assuming that if you came, you'd bring treats. 
    Hah, did I make promises on behalf of my better half?  
    What about next Sunday, March 20th, 10am, or whatever time correlates with leaving the Brooklyn Bridge at 8am?  

    We'll have the Saturday B'Brook race for those who want the speed of racing.  I know this conflicts with the traditional Sunday Ride, but I figure we won't do this often, and we won't be able to--the track gets more use starting in April.  And we'll have more races to choose from and the season will be in fuller swing.

    We'll work on sprinting and leadoffs and a few other things.  I figure it will take 2-3 hours.  And for those who want to learn track racing, there will be a track racing clinic at the same spot in the afternoon.
    Pretty confident I'm in.
    Jeff and I are out of town :(.  I REALLY want to do this, can we do a different time?

    JP I like the track because it's like 5 minutes from my house, but how about also holding these drills at Rockleigh?  Might be a good way to entice people who want to get in their Sunday miles but still want to get in on the clinic action.
    BTW for people who have never ventured into Eastern Queens on a bicycle, if I'm available that day, I'm happy to guide a group from either Flushing main street (if you take the 7 Train out), or west of Citifield from northern Queens.