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Will crashed and broke his elbow. Anyone have ortho surgeon recommendations/contacts at https://www.hss.edu/?
(Congrats JP)
Will crashed and broke his elbow. Anyone have ortho surgeon recommendations/contacts at https://www.hss.edu/?
There's a bike fit guy at HSS I know.  I could ask him if he knows the docs.

Hoping there are some good pics and a good story in the injuries thread.  

I assume Will's crash happened at the bottom of the chute.  There was an ambulance there for a few laps late in the race.  
JP thank goodness you won. I don't think I could've taken a year of Yacks smack.

Will - hope you mend quickly.
I'm probably going to get flack for posting this instead of texting offline but kind of wanted it to be seen by the gang.

More experienced members can attest to what its like to race a mens cat 5 race, as can you. But as a female I can say that Mens Cat 5 racing is very different than a Women's 4/5 field. I raced one road race in CT this summer with a relatively small mens field and found it terrifying, at that point I had 3 crits and 5 road races under my belt so felt pretty confident that I could stay upright and hang with the pack. 

I'm all for jumping head first into racing and events where I'm not overly confident that I'll excel at, but always consider safety. If this is her first race ever, it might not be the best idea. And looking at race predictor, it looks like this race will be the first one for over half the field. If I was still a 5 and if I was racing this, I'd probably only do it if I knew I could count on a steady wheel or two or a KCC teammate. 
That is very good advice and nothing you'd get flack for on the Kissena I know. Sometimes the best advice is what you don't really want to hear.


JP thank goodness you won. I don't think I could've taken a year of Yacks smack.

Will - hope you mend quickly.
Et tu, Brute?
congrats JP!

sorry to hear about will, heal quick!
Will crashed and broke his elbow. Anyone have ortho surgeon recommendations/contacts at https://www.hss.edu/?
David Altchek
PSA = don't do a big race in brand new bibs as they may need a few rides to stretch out.  My jibbly's were getting crushed this morning.  With 3 to go I considered performing a tracheotomy on my chamois... 
I'm bummed about what happened to you this morning Will, broken elbows are no joke. I hope that your injury will heal quickly.
Results bros

https://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?year=2017&id=2369
Sorry about your crash Will, hope it's a speedy recovery
twoyacks said:
PSA = don't do a big race in brand new bibs as they may need a few rides to stretch out.  My jibbly's were getting crushed this morning.  With 3 to go I considered performing a tracheotomy on my chamois... 
good thing you didn't buy that swedish penis enlarger @twoyacks
- JP is our 2017 club champ
- Ricky is our Cat 4 club champ
- No women's champ this year due to lack of entries.

Nice work Ricky and JP, let me know your jersey sizes. 
The runner up club champion (a moniker I will employ for the next 12 months just to annoy) concurs...nice work
I'll make you a jersey Yackfoo.  
Congrats to JP and Ricky.

Sorry to hear of your crash Will. Hope you heal up quick
I'll make you a jersey Yackfoo.  
that would be hot...and I'd totally wear it
Jules said:
I'm probably going to get flack for posting this instead of texting offline but kind of wanted it to be seen by the gang.

More experienced members can attest to what its like to race a mens cat 5 race, as can you. But as a female I can say that Mens Cat 5 racing is very different than a Women's 4/5 field. I raced one road race in CT this summer with a relatively small mens field and found it terrifying, at that point I had 3 crits and 5 road races under my belt so felt pretty confident that I could stay upright and hang with the pack. 

I'm all for jumping head first into racing and events where I'm not overly confident that I'll excel at, but always consider safety. If this is her first race ever, it might not be the best idea. And looking at race predictor, it looks like this race will be the first one for over half the field. If I was still a 5 and if I was racing this, I'd probably only do it if I knew I could count on a steady wheel or two or a KCC teammate. 
That is very good advice and nothing you'd get flack for on the Kissena I know. Sometimes the best advice is what you don't really want to hear.


Good Lord, never race a Men's Cat 5 race if you don't have to!  Yikes!
JillWhite said:
Jules said:
I'm probably going to get flack for posting this instead of texting offline but kind of wanted it to be seen by the gang.

More experienced members can attest to what its like to race a mens cat 5 race, as can you. But as a female I can say that Mens Cat 5 racing is very different than a Women's 4/5 field. I raced one road race in CT this summer with a relatively small mens field and found it terrifying, at that point I had 3 crits and 5 road races under my belt so felt pretty confident that I could stay upright and hang with the pack. 

I'm all for jumping head first into racing and events where I'm not overly confident that I'll excel at, but always consider safety. If this is her first race ever, it might not be the best idea. And looking at race predictor, it looks like this race will be the first one for over half the field. If I was still a 5 and if I was racing this, I'd probably only do it if I knew I could count on a steady wheel or two or a KCC teammate. 
That is very good advice and nothing you'd get flack for on the Kissena I know. Sometimes the best advice is what you don't really want to hear.


Good Lord, never race a Men's Cat 5 race if you don't have to!  Yikes!
Unfortunately our CAT 5 women/an would have to under the current setup. Although I agree that CAT 5 races are dangerous, and perhaps even more dangerous for women (per Cristina’s note), and even more dangerous for women with limited racing experience, I think there is a broader issue that needs to be addressed. why don’t have gender specific races for both men and women in our club championship? Can we push Charlie to add female heats to next year’s fall classic?
JillWhite said:
Jules said:
I'm probably going to get flack for posting this instead of texting offline but kind of wanted it to be seen by the gang.

More experienced members can attest to what its like to race a mens cat 5 race, as can you. But as a female I can say that Mens Cat 5 racing is very different than a Women's 4/5 field. I raced one road race in CT this summer with a relatively small mens field and found it terrifying, at that point I had 3 crits and 5 road races under my belt so felt pretty confident that I could stay upright and hang with the pack. 

I'm all for jumping head first into racing and events where I'm not overly confident that I'll excel at, but always consider safety. If this is her first race ever, it might not be the best idea. And looking at race predictor, it looks like this race will be the first one for over half the field. If I was still a 5 and if I was racing this, I'd probably only do it if I knew I could count on a steady wheel or two or a KCC teammate. 
That is very good advice and nothing you'd get flack for on the Kissena I know. Sometimes the best advice is what you don't really want to hear.


Good Lord, never race a Men's Cat 5 race if you don't have to!  Yikes!
Unfortunately our CAT 5 women/an would have to under the current setup. Although I agree that CAT 5 races are dangerous, and perhaps even more dangerous for women (per Cristina’s note), and even more dangerous for women with limited racing experience, I think there is a broader issue that needs to be addressed. why don’t have gender specific races for both men and women in our club? Can we push Charlie to add female heats to next year’s fall classic?
A few quick notes on this:

No question, the club championship setup was not ideal and unfair to women -- as the only way to participate was in a men's field.

Charlie does a lot for cycling and for Kissena -- as those races are sponsored by Kissena, which allows a pretty great story: The Kissena cycling club puts on about 30 road races, a major cyclocross race, etc.

We should always be very hesitant to push Charlie to do anything else. His bandwidth is full.

Also important, Charlie ran a women only field in PP for a couple years. I wish we could still run it. It did not prove economically feasible.

I do encourage you to figure out ways to help Charlie or even put on a race yourself. There was conversation a few weeks ago about a 2018 Governor's Island race. Greg, get involved, jumpstart that effort again. Run all the women's fields. Make it NY State Crit Championship. Make it Kissena's Championship. Make it awesome.

Step up, set it up, and we will help you. Good luck.
@JohnOlsson and I would love help with the Gov's Island race. I'm traveling the next two weeks but when I get back, if there is interest for others to help we can sit down for beers and hash out some issues that have already come up with it (none of which I think are road blocks that can't be busted down).

Regarding the women's field in Prospect Park, a number of people have pressed Charlie for it. Including Brooklyn based women in CRCA and members of the Brooklyn Tri Club (who were very pushy about it). The verdict is that its unsafe to run more than 3 races in Prospect Park as its such a short and tight course, there may also be USAC restrictions involved with it. Therefore the more profitable fields take precedence. 
@ChristinaWoolston Earlier this year the board was discussing this very issue: promoting more women’s fields in local races. We often run into the argument that there are not enough women signing up for these fields (as was the case with the PP races a few years back). BUT if there are enough women who push for  these races and commit to them then I think it could happen. If not PP then Floyd or even the Central Park spring series which looks like it may be revived next year. 

Whether one of the above becomes an option or if you are able to put something together at Governor’s Island, I believe the board would find a way to support it. Speaking of which, Kissena needs dedicated members who want to contribute to the club and the cycling community to take part in the board. I encourage you and anyone else who wants to roll up their sleeves on this or other issues to run for the board in the upcoming elections. 

You would look good in a club champion jersey, right?

This Saturday's Kissena Fall Classic in Prospect Park is our official club road champs. The club awards custom champion jerseys to the first Kissena riders in the Cat 4 and 1/2/3 fields. Last year Ricky and J.P. won in their respective fields. Do you have what it takes to dethrone them? Will this be your lucky day? 

Whether going for the win or just wanting to have a good time and get coffee afterwards, come race the Kissena Fall Classic. As usual, Charlie will need reg volunteers (you race for free), contact him if you can help. 

Each jersey must have minimum two contestants in order to produce a winner.

Jerseys are:
- Women's Cat 4 Club Champ
- Men's Cat 4 Club Champ
- Men's P/1/2/3 club champ


KISSENA FALL CLASSIC Prospect Park
this Saturday, October 6
P/1/2/3 start first at 6:40am
https://www.bikereg.com/kissena-fall-classic

P.S. Winners get their photos taken on the cool Kissena podium

P.P.S. If Charlie owes you a free race (for volunteering in past) email him and he will register you for free

Start your trash talking now!


(I'm bummed that I will be racing CX in Baltimore this weekend)

I'll be there racing CAT 4!  
I'll be there in the 1/2/3.  Let's have a party.



Whether you race or not, Charlie needs volunteers!

He needs reg volunteers, marshals, and a marshal director. 

Reg volunteers can race for free, marshals get paid $30, marshal director gets paid $40 and can race for free at a future race.

please help support your local races. 

Email charlie at charlesissendorf@gmail.com 
Change of plans, racing PP tomorrow...Uncle Sam GP on Sun... @ErikPfiffner, @RichardCornetta lets eff stuff up in the 4's...in a good way!
Hey, is this happening this year?

I assume it's part of the Kissena fall classic, but I would love confirmation.  
And competition.

https://www.bikereg.com/kissena-fall-classic

Already registered in the 3/4
RickyCornettanew york NY
StevenMurrayBrooklyn NY
KevinManBrooklyn NY
JoeMatunisBrooklyn NY
RichardFreemanBrooklyn NY

And in the Vs
MatthewBudofskyBrooklyn NY
RichPolkBrooklyn NY
JASONFUGETTMASPETH NY
Registered 3/4