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Cyclocross!

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I have never managed to ride sand pits , I'm sure its hard to integrate this into the session , but please bring up as a discussion 
I think my plan this year is to target the NJ series with a few earlier events thrown in. I realized in 2019 I did like 3/6 of the NJ races anyways, so I’m hoping that racing it as a series will add another dimension to my season goals. 
^ that said, just Reg’d for Whirly Bird for Sep 12! The 4/5 open field already had 40 people signed iup so it might be worthwhile to start registering for events soon! 
BUMP!

Kissena CX kick off and clinic is this Sunday at Cunningham Park!

Date: 
This Sunday, Aug. 29th 
Time: 9 a.m.- until we are tired

Where: Cunningham Park - Grass field on 199th St just north of Union Turnpike. Across street from this Google Map link

 
We will run through a series of drills to help you get ready for the first cross races of the season. Expect two-plus hours running around like crazy people on grass with impractical bikes. Afterwards we can head to the trails for an awesome time. One year an ice cream truck came by and we got vanilla soft serve with sprinkles. It was boss.

Discuss how to get to Cunningham or carpool info in this thread.

What you'll need:
A cyclocross bike (Gravel and mountain bikes are ok, but you must have mountain pedals -- no road pedals!)
Helmet
Spare tube
Water
Snack
Ice cream truck money
Have a shiny new bike rack on my car that can fit on other bike, and we can get a third laying across the trunk back seats. I’m heading over from downtown Brooklyn area so let me know if you need a ride!
could use the ride, Matt
For those going to the 'cross clinic...

the NY State Track Championships are a few miles away at the Kissena Velodrome.  If you've never seen track racing before, it's a great opportunity to take a look.  There are bleachers for spectating.  

I'll be racing.  don't know if

@LamboMDC787  is as well.

Sorry I can't make the 'cross clinic.
@eloy you got it- will message you on slack to figure out timing.

Bitten by the cross bug and signed up for whirly bird!
Sweet, Matt! looking forward to seeing you at the races...

Coming out of the Clinic this is my note on Cyclocross tires:
https://forum-archive.kissenacycling.com/discussion/794-p141.html#Comment_105782

And my notes for what to do pre race:
https://forum-archive.kissenacycling.com/discussion/794-p95.html#Comment_80825

Some thoughts on honing your cyclocross skills

I’ve been reflecting on how to get skills/technique sharpened for cross season and wanted to share  some of my thoughts.  Cyclocross can be fun even if you don’t practice the following skills, but in my experience, I’ve found races most rewarding when I’ve been able to master technically challenging courses. 

The elite racers will practice skills a thousand times. They start slow, fixing any technical flaws, and gradually speed up until they can reliably execute the skill at race pace when fatigued. The more you can do this the better, but for us amateurs, I’d recommend you plan on one or two skills sessions a week to work on these skills. 

Here is a broad outline of skills to work on during the cx season. We will cover these skills at the skills clinic on the 29th. 

  1. Starts: cross races start with a sprint. Being able to clip in and get up to speed rapidly can make a huge difference. Have your hands on the hoods and one leg down. Either sit on the saddle or stand over your top tube (try both and see what works best for you and stick to it). Good form generally includes having the clipped in foot just past the 12 o’clock position for maximum leverage. By keeping the cranks in the same position every time you develop the muscle memory to clip in your pedal rapidly the same place every time.  You can practice starts at every red light. It’s not necessary that you go all out every time you practice. The goal is to get the mechanics to become automatic. 
  2. Mounts, dismounts and shouldering: There are usually one or two dismounts per lap. Being able to do so quickly and smoothly can save you time. I could write a book on proper technique, but this is a skill best learned in person. Check out Jeremy powers video for a good tutorial: https://youtu.be/SGwIXKSaBac Note that it’s helpful to work on the remount at a walking pace where you throw your right thigh over the saddle much like a layup in basketball. Again, easier for me to demonstrate than to describe in words.
  3. Cornering is a vitally important skill to practice as most courses will have Lots of turns. You want to practice cornering in a range of different terrains (grass, dirt, mud, sand, etc.) and situations (hills, off camber, tight and slow, fast and wide, etc.).  Setting up a figure eight in the grass with two soccer cones allows you to practice turns just about anywhere. Experiment with changing the radius and speed of the turn so you can figure out what is fastest in different situations. You can even play with tire pressure to get a feel for how your bike handles with different pressures. 
  4. The last skills topic is a broad one: managing obstacles. Planks and stairs can either be managed with dismounts and remounts or learning to jump/ride them. You also want to practice riding in sand and mud as well as over roots, in ruts, etc. Too many specific techniques to address here although it often involves lifting/un-weighing the front wheel to roll over obstacles. Run ups are another common feature that usually are dependent on dismounting before you lose momentum. 

Lots to practice here. Don’t let it overwhelm you. Work on a little bit at a time and practice regularly and your skills will allow you to get the most out of races. 


This is such good advice. I'll only add one thing - racing CX is incredibly intense and taxing on your body. Here in the waning days of August it is very easy to put together a schedule of weekly races going straight through to Xmas. Once the races start the FOMO from each successive hotness weekend gets bad.

Unless you have the immune system of a sewer toad you will get sick if you race every weekend, so pencil in your recovery weekends. Save them for spectating or drinking or Netflix.

@Mark Taylor Myerson's advice on sand is as follows (I paraphrase) "go to the beach and practice. Expect to burn through chains & cassettes - that's the tuition you have to pay.
How was the clinic?  

Pics or it didn't happen. ;)
We were busy doing drills and blanked on photos, but here are some vids I took:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7qVLUoDmNKB3wWLh7

Bitten by the cross bug and signed up for whirly bird!
I’d say judging by this post alone 
the clinic was a huge success 
for those looking for new CX tubulars, Brittlee Bowman appears to be liquidating a pretty large stock of Challenge CX tubulars that were part of the Richard Sachs CX Team sponsorship

Challenge Limus Team Edition S3 Handmade Tubular
Challenge Baby Limus Team Edition S3 Handmade Tubular
Challenge Chicane Team Edition S3 Handmade Tubular
Challenge Grifo Team Edition S3 Handmade Tubular

$60/tire

you can see them on the NYC Cyclocross FB page.  They've got team issue branding

I have her email as brittleeb@gmail.com
@Mark Taylor it definitely was! I stupidly forgot I have a wedding on the same day as Whirly Bird so sadly will have to delay my first cross race :/

It's back!

I've posted the ride sharing google spreadsheet for the 2021 Cyclocross season. Since I updated the 2019 version some of you have your names in it already. Anyone can add their name to the first column. The remaining columns list CX races that are driving distance from NYC.

Go ahead and share your plans (going, not going, thinking about it?) and let us all know if you have wheels or need a ride, etc.

As of now I put in info for races through October 24th. I will update the sheet weekly to remove past races and add upcoming races as they show up on BikeReg. Speaking of which, you can get a link to the registration pages by clicking on the name of the race in each column.

See the list here

You are welcome :-)
I'll 'cross post this in slack too but: 
I'll be driving to Whirlybird for the 4/5 race. We start at 8:15 (ugh) so i'd like to shoot to get there 'round 6:15 or 6:30 or so. Its been a while since I've gone to a cx race but I'm thinking that'll be plenty of time for changing/ pre-rides as we're the first race of the day?

I spoke with @eloy a bit about driving out there and have room for at least one other person and their bike. I have one roof rack, a trunk rack that will fit 2 bikes kind of cramped, and we can always squeeze a bike in the back of the actual car.  I know thats p early, but if you're racing in the morning and need a ride, hit me up! 
Northampton CX reg is OPEN! If you intend on racing Cat 5 or 4, Register NOW. This is a great event and those fields fill up. Always https://www.bikereg.com/nohocx

European Championships: Thibau Nys wins U23 men's road race title

Cyclocross is real and it is spectacular! We had 5 Kissenas at Whirlybird CX out in PA today (4 in the masters fields, me in the early morning 4/5s).

 Quick recap:
-woke up and left Brooklyn around 4:30am. Buckwild but also something kinda beautiful about rolling out of your apartment to your car in the dark knowing you’re doing a cool thing? Got there and did a pre ride, felt good about the course and had a plan for all of the interesting bits. 
-Call ups we’re by order of reg which meant I was 4th or 5th row in a field of 77 (!) cat 4/5 racers. As you’d expect, the start was a mess. I was near at least two full stop crashes but managed to stay on bike and get around with only a foot down. 
-I figured I just needed to hammer my way up to the leaders or I’d spend the morning behind these types of shenanigans. There was a long decent and climb right after the holeshot and that helped me move up. I made it up to the top 10ish by the end of the first lap which I’m pretty proud of. 
-I traded places with some young guys and a TBD guy (Alvaro) who is plenty fast but hasn’t raced cross, but was pretty much rolling with them for the remainder of the race. The guy that won was long gone at that point and would finish a minute ahead of me or so. 
-I ended up 5th on the day to get on the very wide angled podium. This may be petty, but it was nice to beat some familiar road racing NYC folks 😬. 

Here are some pics from the day:


All of this muck from my bottom pulley wheel 🥲

Congrats Robert, top 5 is amazing! Also 10000% not petty to feel proud of besting the competition from the road. 
Rob: +1 David's comment 

All: I've never raced Newtown CX, but am considering it. Other than getting to race with James and Eloy (which is a big plus), what's the course like. Convince me to give up the single track and sand at Bubble!
it's grassy with some fast off camber, hillside traverses, and power sections.. reminded me of westwood/nittany a bit, except without the sand (edit: yes, there is sand) or log, or wooded sections.

here's a video of the course from last year (yes, 2020):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUhTdS4GLE4


Dang that description makes me think I should be racing there instead of Bubblecross lol. Alas, I’ll be in NJ this weekend
So far, I am in for Newtown CT.

Seems like it'll be the better attended event. It is put on in part by my old friend Jed Kornbluh, who was the promoter of Staten CX. It is unfortunate the race is on the same than bubble.
Too tired to write up Newtown, but got to say that James and Tom looked good but Eloy was on fire. This was a more challenging course than I had expected. I definitely needed a larger cassette.

In the meantime, local favorite are HPCX is open: Go register

https://www.bikereg.com/hpcx
Jules said:

@Mark Taylor Myerson's advice on sand is as follows (I paraphrase) "go to the beach and practice. Expect to burn through chains & cassettes - that's the tuition you have to pay.
I'm also pretty bad at riding sand, and did exactly this on a coldish October morning in 2019. Worth note, it became obvious that, while helpful, only one day is not enough, this might be something you need to do a few times before you see some improvement.

Myerson, Powers, Curtis White, and that Jam NoHo crew, are all well known for having access to a crazy "secret" construction sandpit.

Coney Island CX y'all:

One specific drill you can do is riding a figure 8. Try and stay in your own track. Make it as wide as you need and when you get better, tighten it up.
Newtown CX 2021 Report.
  • Patrick, James, Thomas Feeham, & myself lined up for Masters 50+
  • As videos often do, the vid from 2020 above doesn't show this is all on the side of a very very very very steep mountain
  • The course is crazy challenging, basically always up or down
  • Only flat was maybe the sand pit
  • Kinda technical too: 100 million turns
  • At least 3 moments with gradients over or around 18%, the second one is the longest and OMG my 40 front 32 back proves too high
  • Reminder to put the 38 ring in my toolbag
  • Kinda bumpy too, my upper body & arms are feeling it today
  • Oh, and windy too!  
  • Documenting:  ran 22 psi in the front, 24 psi in the back, tried 19 psi that felt too soft. Good to find that threshold
  • Hilarious moment as I got called to the grid first by mistake, and literally everyone, even people I don't know well: "wait... wait... wtf, hey hey" -- I just thought Jed was being a good friend =)
  • Eventually start 3rd row next to Patrick 
  • We will both have okish starts
  • Based on last week, strategy was to try to find a sweet spot, go hard but don't explode 10 minutes in
  • This proves actually possible, as the steep hills, off cambers, and turns, make it difficult to pass
  • Lap 1 becomes a long single file of riders
  • Rather than fight to pass, feels smarter to follow wheels (aka Blevins style)
  • Slot right behind Patrick
  • Patrick hits a bit of bad luck and gets tape tangled up in a corner
  • This proved to be a theme on the first couple of laps, as I found myself passing riders that were at a stop from a corner mistake or other course mishaps
  • My "measured, do my own race" approach keeps me away from any major mistakes
  • But oh boy everytime on those climbs ouch -- while also getting gapped by anyone with easier gears
  • Still, achieved my pseudo goal of top 20 (barely) yay!
  • About 60 seconds later, Thomas, Patrick, and James will all finish together, in that order, 20ish, they'll have to report on that battle!
Let's go race bikes!!!